The power of sLog - and why i'd pay $6,000 for it.......

Right. In S-Log you can only select 3200K or 5600K. In addition, no picture profile settings are available. Disabling picture profiles makes sense.
 
Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
Hmmm, I wonder why you can set color temp on regular F3 but not on Slog F3...
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it's back to my whole comment that they jammed a fusion reactor of a sensor in a body that can barely handle it. My theory is the processing is already so intense, they have to eliminate a lot of the features just to get it going, including paintboxing from within the camera of any kind, including color temp. you just gotta work like you only have daylight or tungsten stock now... it's limiting but if you do 444 recording, well hell even 422 high quality recording there's enough push around room to get it to the proper white balance. not as elegant as dialing it in right away, and for the most extreme situations of improper white balance 422 might not even cut it. you can't even do 720p overcrank in s log i believe. just 1080p/60p out of dual link, which sucks too because with a 422 recorder you pretty much have no overcrank in s log. but in the end, the camera is dirt cheap when you see how it's performing next to other camera several time it's price. there's GOT to be a compromise. the next step up is r1 mx, epic, or alexa... and the f3 outperforms r1 mx in dynamic range, so it's up to you to see where it fits on the top 3-5 of digital cinema cameras.
 
Jon Thorn said:
LeavingTheCandy wrote: "Anyone care to comment on this? My main motivation is the use of SSD. AJA, are you listening? SSD!"
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I think that he meant to instead of FCs to use SSDs. No adapter, plain Ki mini with SSD.
The cards are more expensive than SSDs now days. FC make the Ki mini a $3,000 + batteries cables and attaching device.

Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
What do you mean 'two color temp' thing? You can't set S-log with a color temp on the F3?
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Yes and No. You can't WB, it is set a 3,200k but by hitting the 5,600k botton it acts as putting a daylight filter in front of sensor.
 
tom.wong said:
the next step up is r1 mx, epic, or alexa... and the f3 outperforms r1 mx in dynamic range, so it's up to you to see where it fits on the top 3-5 of digital cinema cameras.
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A bit off topic, but did you see recently that after laying out plans (that omitted mentioning the Epic-S) on Reduser Jim Jannard was specifically asked if he was still proceeding with the Epic-S plans, and he specifically refused to say the Epic-S was still in line for development? (He said he'll review it again after he gets 5-6 other products released.)

It might be that the F3 has taken the profit numbers out of the Epic-S.
 
Douglas Villalba said:
Yes and No. You can't WB, it is set a 3,200k but by hitting the 5,600k botton it acts as putting a daylight filter in front of sensor.
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Makes sense... kinda like RedMX RAW... I mean... the computer chip only see's one native color temperature anyhow. Since most CMOS cameras are daylight sensitive naturally, is the above true? Or is it the opposite? Is daylight natural for the F3? I figured it was.
 
Shooting outdoors in sunlight w/ log today....

Its unreal. Just unreal. Subject was under the shade of a tree, with a direct sunlight background an hazy/overcast sky. Subject skintones were at proper exposure in the shade, the sky never hit 85IRE.....

Also, I had the subject step into the sun, spot metered to +4 2/3 stops, and his skin never hit 80IRE.... amazing... dappled sunlight is now a shootable situation.
 
Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
Makes sense... kinda like RedMX RAW... I mean... the computer chip only see's one native color temperature anyhow. Since most CMOS cameras are daylight sensitive naturally, is the above true? Or is it the opposite? Is daylight natural for the F3? I figured it was.
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always inherent nature of digital sensors to be daylight hungry. but in the F3's case, the photosites are so big, they just gobble up all the light, leaving a very low S/N. so far, I've seen no real noticeable increase in noise over daylight exposure. the blue channel feels quite quiet.
 
Duke M. said:
A bit off topic, but did you see recently that after laying out plans (that omitted mentioning the Epic-S) on Reduser Jim Jannard was specifically asked if he was still proceeding with the Epic-S plans, and he specifically refused to say the Epic-S was still in line for development? (He said he'll review it again after he gets 5-6 other products released.)

It might be that the F3 has taken the profit numbers out of the Epic-S.
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I didn't read that. Were did he say he would review that after 5 or 6 products are released? Can you provide a link were he says he would review that after releasing those products? What I got from that thread- i was one of those asking for the S- was that the Epic S changed name, and probably changed as a product. In another thread with the name "change", Jim Jannard posted something about name changes and " If anything changes its for the better".
He also said something like "hang on to your hats", which I assume means some sort of announcement is coming soon. Anyway, I will wait for those announcements. Jim Jannard said the next time they would post was when they were "ready to ship". I assume that RED invested quite a bit in their assembly line, and that as they ramp up the Epic's back orders, other products may come out soon and in force.

Let's see what IBC, or October brings us...

EDIT- I was going to purchase the F3. Seeing this thread and others here on the F3 forum made me fall in love with this camera, but what's making me hold on is the terrible sales service I got from Sony Hong-Kong. You guys are lucky, seems like Sony US works way better than those guys over here. This factor is enough for me to look or hold for other options. If indeed untill the end of October nothing comes up, then I will have to swallow my pride and go and buy this camera, since its the best i can possibly own (i cannot rent cameras here). But I sincerely hope something else along the lines comes up. Nothing against the camera, I believe not even Sony Japan is aware of this, its not their fault, but I was very badly threated- left waiting in line on the phone for 30 minutes until I hanged my phone (international call!), after redial was asked for email and contact information but never got a phone call back... The only way I got a quote from them was through a friend with close ties with the company as a major corporate buyer. This total disregard for the indie made me very, very angry. Panasonic never did this to me, or JVC, or Red for the matter, which replied promptly to my enquiries...

Anyway, completely off topic and a rant, but its frustrating. Love the footage you guys are getting, that camera really rocks!

EDIT AGAIN- Concerning the EPIC-S, take a look at this thread:

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?62912-RED-Road-Map...
 
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@SPZ It was more than one thread, but here's an example:

Sergio Perez said "This certainly makes sense. However, Jim, can you confirm that the EPIC-S is still a product in the making? I don't want the time of release or its status, but if its still a product we can look forward to... "


Jim Jannard said "Without further details, to recap our roadmap... we have previously stated that we are working on Scarlet, REDray and a 4K projector. We also have the Dragon and Monstro sensors in development. That is all the forward thinking we can confirm and acknowledge. The next time you will hear about any of these is when they are ready to ship.
Jim"

In this thread:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?62908-Philosophy-change...

Sergio specifically wasn't asking when, just to confirm that it was actually going to be made. That's what made me wonder if the F3 has taken a big chunk out of the Epic-S market share.

But yes, the thread you linked does seem to address it with a post from Jim, but that was several hours after the post I quoted.
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?62912-RED-Road-Map...&p=814359&viewfull=1#post814359
With the constant wild speculation on Reduser I bet Jim just had a "Duh" moment and figured he better fix it. :)
 
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"The camera you want is later this year." - Jannard

Still sounds a bit ambiguous to me.... I think the Epic-S will change specs/price.. possibly name again. I have said it before that I think the Epic-S will eventually launch at the price point of the old R1 - $17.5k for brain. I think it was just too convenient that RED announced a price roughly the same as F3, 1 day after the F3 was launched. They are the kings at getting people to hold off from a purchase (or I am a paranoid conspiracy theorist!)
 
I think this should better go to the "other" thread. I'm guilty of putting wood in the fire, but Its just pulling too much away from the topic of this thread and its the beauty of SLOG. I'll post my thoughts on your post there (if you're interested, of course :) )
 
Once you see the "infinite dynamic range" of the sLog, you won't wanna shoot with anything else. Its intoxicating.
 
TimurCivan said:
I highly reccomend downloaing the 2gig low compression version to really see in full resolution whats going on, and how Frigging sharp the F3 really is.
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Timur,

Thank you for doing the tests. That's an incredible amount of dynamic range!

And where can we download the lightly compressed version?
 
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