.The Passion of the Christ

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Cool Flick. Great visual story telling. I think Mel did a good job. Check it out! Let me know what you think. 8)
 
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I'll be going tonight at 9:55. I'd go earlier, but they sold out the earlier showings.
 
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Absolutely incredible.

Shut down the office today to go see it. Myself, my wife, everyone we were with, and the entire theatre walked out speechless... If you haven't seen it or don't have plans too, you need to.
 
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I'm going to watch it this weekend.

I heard it has a lot of antisemitic sentiments. Being Jewish myself, it concerns me a bit, but I like controversy. On an unrelated note, i read an interview w/ Mel's dad who is a huge antisemite and claims that Jews "fabricated the Holocaust and are conspiring to take over the world" :o

Article can be found here:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...newyork/furorjustbeforegibsonsthepassionopens
 
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Thinking about seeing it tonight. Interesting what Mel's father had to say. Really kinda sad actually. But he's old, so maybe he's just senile. :-/
 
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I don't think the point of the movie was to point fingers at any one group... more to make you think about the event and it's meaning based on history
 
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OK . . .

Even if it did blame it 100% on the Jewish population of one town 2,000 years ago, if it's historically accurate, how is that in any way condemnatory of an entire religion? (Haven't seen it, so I don't actually know what it does.)

I mean, is it "anti-Russian" to say that that Communists slaughtered 20 million of their own people in the 1930s? To portray the event in all its graphic reality, with the perpetrators speaking Russian?

This is relevant to us as filmmakers, because while it's not government censorship, it's no less a "McCarthyism" than what's normally decried as such.

Anyway, not to stir up a hornet's nest . . .
 
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[quote author=Jubal28 link=board=Offtopic;num=1077745478;start=0#7 date=02/26/04 at 14:18:58]OK . . .

Even if it did blame it 100% on the Jewish population of one town 2,000 years ago, if it's historically accurate, how is that in any way condemnatory of an entire religion?  (Haven't seen it, so I don't actually know what it does.)

I mean, is it "anti-Russian" to say that that Communists slaughtered 20 million of their own people in the 1930s?  To portray the event in all its graphic reality, with the perpetrators speaking Russian?

This is relevant to us as filmmakers, because while it's not government censorship, it's no less a "McCarthyism" than what's normally decried as such.

Anyway, not to stir up a hornet's nest . . .
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Actualy it was from 1930-1950, and it wasn't russian kill it own people. Stalin was georgian. Beria was georgian.
But to your point, each new sovet leader rewriten history to fit his best intrests, sad to see same happen in USA today, then school history books modifyed to fit "politicly correct" movment.
 
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Jubal, like i said, i have not seen the movie. I can only speculate on what i heard... and that is that the movie may harbor anti-Semitic sentiments. The only reason i said it concerns me is because I feel people shouldnt be stirred by someones vision of history... In this case Mel's. If they do not want to accept it, then they dont have to. It's a free country. so calm down....

I'm a big fan of historical films. Many films portray a group to be the "dark shadow" archetype ie schindlers list, saving private ryan, black hawk down and many many others. The actions taken by the "shadow" does not condemn an entire race/religion of course...It is history, people change, and the actions by some are not the actions by all. I'm not against this film by any means. Actually, I'm totally for it and am excited to see it this weekend. It got excellent reviews. ;D
 
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I wasn't directing that at you, Dan -- only to those who try to see things which aren't there . . . particularly when most of the criticism came from a time before anyone had seen it.
 
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Saw it last night. Awsome movie, very well done-- visually and historically. Mel's done good :)
 
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And the Passion stirs up more heat!

I agree as filmakers (artists) it is our job to be as honest as we can about history and NOT use 'artistic liberty' on historical matters and there probally isn't a more touchy subject on the planet than that of religion.

Too bad about Mel's father. Doesn't mean Mel is that way though. My father is a bigoted prick and I couldnt be farther away from that man than anyone.

I will see this film for what it is and will not walk away with any feelings towards the Jewish (One always hear's about the Jewish and the anti-semitic {spell?}) and I never have gotten it or understood why there is this view. Is it the religious beliefs? I don't even know or understand that if it is. Someone maybe can educate me?

I agree Dan, that there are two sides to every story (whether we agree with that side or not).

And Vovka. Thnaks for the history lesson. If there is a skewed vision of a country, it is the West's take on Russia (Cold War). We can just hope that people are opended minded enough to realize that is exactly what it is. I do not know anything about Russia except what I was taught in school (Cold War, Communism, etc). But I don't pre-judge based on that.
 
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Come on now! There were only Jews and Romans at the time. He came into the town 5 days earlier as a king then 5 days later they killed him. :-/
 
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Yeah man, if you're up for a Biblical history session, I'm up for it John ;) Just let me know!

As non-entertaining as it may seem if you're not into it, the Bible is really full of incredible storys, truths, etc.. just look at the Passion... all based on the beginning of the new testament...

The anti-jew thing I never have really understood either... but this movie only shows what happened back 2000 years ago. I can't believe people are in a tizzy because someone chose to tell a story about it... The entire point of the movie was to show how everyone is responsible for his death... not just the jews that were involved in it's "carrying out"...

enough rambling for now :)
 
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John,
Jews have been looked down upon for ages throughout history by various groups...It's undeniable. Antisemitism has been around a long time. I'm not going to type it all out, but antisemitism generally stems from  6 major thoughts:

Antisemites generally believe...

"Jews possess too much wealth and power."

"Jews arrogantly claim they are the chosen people."

"Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles."

"Jews killed Jesus, therefore we must hate them"

"Jews are different than us"

"Jews are an inferior race"

BTW> This is by no means a "feel sorry for me because im jewish" post. im just explaining to john the VERY basic reasons throughout history why jews have been persecuted. There is so much info out there, i havent even scratched the surface.

Anywayssss.....back to the movie..... ;D
 
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I have heard a few of those takes.

Thats too bad we have to live in a world with those viewpoints (On any race or religion). Kind of reinforces my fantasy of owning an Island.

Theres good people and there's evil people of all races, sex's, creed's and beliefs.

I might go see The Passion tomorrow. I still havent figured out where I stand with God in my life. Maybe it's better I see it without predujice or beliefs instilled in me.
 
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d00d count me in on your island ;D

oh wait... no internet...no DVXuser.com..... :o
 
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