The Panasonic G1HD | GH-1 Video Mode : A Real Video Mode

Nektonic said:
I agree. I figure that I might as well prepare for the worst so that I am not disappointed because of any misconceptions that I might get about the 1080 24p mode, whether good or bad. If it isn't up to snuff in 1080 I'll use the 60p to 24p method in 720. I'll probably do so for fast action or frantic hand held scenes anyways, saving the 1080 24p for locked down stuff with minimal movement.
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Yep, a perfect little stealth fast action frantic cam with long record times. That train video content sums up this cam (not talking about artifacts or analizing the footage) I'm talking about the abilty to go stealth on a travel show, action adventure show, run n' gun doc type show where you can just hop on a train film and not be noticed and do it with some sweet glass on the camera!

Do it with a hvx and people will be staring and interupting your production every 2 seconds.
 
I've easily ruled out the 5D Mark II because I will not pay $2600 for an HD camera with only 30p and no manual controls, especially when the GH1 is looming and a possible Nikon D400.
 
FYI guys my measurbator comment was about the whole HDV thing BTW so I hope I didn't offend anyone. HDV is good enough for the top rated shows on Disco was all I was tryng to say.
 
I was curious if you could see this codec blow up by the time it gets downscaled to SD, say if you were going to DVD standard def with it.

http://www.holyzoo.com/content/dslr/00006_proj-720x405_QT7_2Mbs.mov

Can ya see the destruction? Or no? Can the average person see it? Of course if it's reality TV, nobody will care. If it's a narrative piece that draws them in emotionally, I think it would break the deal (wtf was all that?). In reality though, in the editing process, the footage would get rejected and scrapped.
 
I've been following this thread from the get-go. I'm just a student with 0 budget. I have shot a bunch on the DVX in the past and love that little...well not so little...cam.

I've been excited to watch the news trickle out as the camera has come out.

In a strange twist of events, I'm shooting with a HVX this week. My first time working with a HVX. I'm loving the footage, but I'm a crew of 1 on this shoot. I'm going on day 4 or 5 here and let me tell you it's a lot of work. The camera is big. I had to repossess my 4-year old PowerBook from my mom to read the P2 cards, and I now completely understand the complaints about the LCD (So dim and soft), and whenever I switch from shooting video to stills I am just amazed at how much better the viewfinder is on my dSLR (A Pentax K100D...not exactly known for the brightness or clarity of it's viewfinder).

I'm thrilled at the things this little camera that can holds in store. I'm never going to put it on a jig or try to shoot from uncompressed HDMI out. I am just trying to get the highest quality footage I can from the most limited budget possible.

I am hoping to scrape up enough cash to pick one of these up when it hits the US and, having now shot with the HVX, I just find it almost impossible to think that next year (When the event I am shooting happens again, and I'm hopefully sent out to cover it again) I might be able to downsize my kit while upsizing the quality of my footage.

Just imagine it...I have right now sprawled across 3 bags the support EQ for the HVX. The camera, a shotgun mic and wireless kit, a big, steady Manfrotto tripod, the PowerBook for ingest and some external hard drives. Now replace the HVX with a GH1, a smaller and lighter tripod, and maybe throw in a Steadytracker just for good measure.

A lot of you are picking this thing apart, and I appreciate that, carry on...but realize that there really is a huge market out there for people who can't quite justify a $4000+ camera, but can probably make a $1500 purchase work.
 
That is exactly what I was talkin' about: you see the exposure change and the compression fall apart?

That's only one bit of it.
 
Kholi said:
Check the rooftops and compare with the MKii image. Jagged as hell.

Check the bench seat and the wires. Jagged as hell
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You must be seeing something I'm not - there's not much on any of the three and what there is is worse on the D5000, some on the MK II and only slight on the GH1.

Again, from what I've seen, per aliasing, the Mk II is the worst offender. The D90 has some similar bad issues. The GH1 seems only to suffer mild aliasing on 1080p on slight off-horizontal, high contrast lines when 100% in focus. Not nearly enough for me to not use 1080p.
 
saaby said:
I've been following this thread from the get-go. I'm just a student with 0 budget. I have shot a bunch on the DVX in the past and love that little...well not so little...cam.

I've been excited to watch the news trickle out as the camera has come out.

In a strange twist of events, I'm shooting with a HVX this week. My first time working with a HVX. I'm loving the footage, but I'm a crew of 1 on this shoot. I'm going on day 4 or 5 here and let me tell you it's a lot of work. The camera is big. I had to repossess my 4-year old PowerBook from my mom to read the P2 cards, and I now completely understand the complaints about the LCD (So dim and soft), and whenever I switch from shooting video to stills I am just amazed at how much better the viewfinder is on my dSLR (A Pentax K100D...not exactly known for the brightness or clarity of it's viewfinder).

I'm thrilled at the things this little camera that can holds in store. I'm never going to put it on a jig or try to shoot from uncompressed HDMI out. I am just trying to get the highest quality footage I can from the most limited budget possible.

I am hoping to scrape up enough cash to pick one of these up when it hits the US and, having now shot with the HVX, I just find it almost impossible to think that next year (When the event I am shooting happens again, and I'm hopefully sent out to cover it again) I might be able to downsize my kit while upsizing the quality of my footage.

Just imagine it...I have right now sprawled across 3 bags the support EQ for the HVX. The camera, a shotgun mic and wireless kit, a big, steady Manfrotto tripod, the PowerBook for ingest and some external hard drives. Now replace the HVX with a GH1, a smaller and lighter tripod, and maybe throw in a Steadytracker just for good measure.

A lot of you are picking this thing apart, and I appreciate that, carry on...but realize that there really is a huge market out there for people who can't quite justify a $4000+ camera, but can probably make a $1500 purchase work.
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I have several HVX-200's all in big kata 207's with laptops and all kinds of hvx support field stuff, external hard drives etc. I was just looking to see how many GH1's I can fit into a kata 207, I'd bet 4-5. I'm not getting rid of the hvx's now but I hear you loud and clear!

That is what this little cam is all about!
 
Top right of the frame. First shot. The green overhang.

The bench seats.

The wires.

The rooftops.

If I weren't on the netbook I'd grab the frames and circle it.
 
Kholi said:
That is exactly what I was talkin' about: you see the exposure change and the compression fall apart?
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That's a guy fumbling and banging the camera making exposure, shutter and who knows what other changes on handheld telephoto shot - not the exposure change most people who do in a keeper shot.
 
That's fine, I'm saying that's how EASILY it breaks. I wouldn't do that in a shot ... unless it was a Steadicam indoors to outside.... I guess you should either just deal with the ugly compression if you ever have a shot like that, grab another camera or avoid it altogether.

Or you could just use 720/60P.
 
I'm done with the subject of aliasing and compression. Define your experience when you get the camera.
 
stephenvv said:
I have to disagree - just search aliasing on the Mark II on Youtube or Google - horrible stuff out there, way worse than anything we've seen on the GH1. I would say it a factor of 3 or 4 times worse than the GH1, if not more. The higher resolution sensor and slower processing sensor on the Mark II are probably factors.
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The 5DM2 apparently processes one of every three rows vertically. However, the optical low pass filter is set for full resolution, as a result all sorts of immutable artifacts end up in the picture.

The GH1 uses the full sensor resolution so it doesn't have this problem. It over-samples both vertically and horizontally. And only has about 25% less sensor photosite area than the 5DM2 in video.

Panasonic does a noise reduction that creates a very low noise picture. However, it sacrifices quite a bit of texture detail compared to the 5DM2 to do that. Part of the reason it does that is probably to make it work with more compression than many consumer camcorders and twice as much compression as the 5DM2.
 
Kholi said:
I'm done with the subject of aliasing and compression. Define your experience when you get the camera.
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Well, I did just look at what you pointed out - green overhand. The GH1 has fewer jaggies but larger. The Mark II has more but smaller.

Personally, I think the Mark II, based on what is out there, has more aliasing concerns than the GH1, but I would shoot 1080p with both as both can be dealt with.
 
So if panny decides to make a GH1-PRO with H.264 @ 40Mbps and they lose the noise reduction we're getting into red territory!
 
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