Ok guys as you know i do like mics and i like make experiments with different brands .
so maybe i was very bored as i passed the 40 i year ago and decided to make
some unusual test to check if any one will notice big difference if i will change the usual schoepses i use every day( i use them as i oun them not because i cant use the mbho and akg i have as well ) and replace them with something that cost less then oktava.
so last week i got these mics and did a couple of days on documentary testimonials in very nice sound proof offices with few males with quit good and strong voices to dvx .
it passed the test without any problem as the mics where fixed 1.5 feet overhead , no movement , no quick boom flying .the director of the shotes and the editor was pleased with the results - not so suprizing as i know that if i was coming with sony camera mics it was still passing
but this time it had to pass female voice in not sound proof stage , allot of buzz from 10k and 5 k around ,
channel 2 supervisors and jumpy director + my fear to .f.u.c..k sound on 70000 us$ shooting day of one of the secussful tv drama serials here in israel ( Iimale) israeli channel 2 serial which starting the new season and make very expencive promo to run the season
except only one person on the set ( my booman) who was surprised to see new toy no other member of the crew didn't have aclew that what handling on the 600us $ ambient boom pole is 150us chiniz mic .
he was also surprised hear me say that i will take the boom and will go booming the rehearsal and he will ride the levels and will make test recording ( hd-900 sony directly true 442 )
so the rehearsal passed his ear and he asked what is the brand as there no name on the mic and was super surprised that there is no brand for that mic and it is one that has allot of names but these who decided bring it to israel decided not to give it any name at all .
he was more then surprised to hear it cost 215 usd with 3 capsules
(by the wayAlex Epstein bommed Matt Dillon , Gerard Depardieu
, the kid that see dead people and the film that took the sundance foreigner film this year and 4 features with me ,half of the episods of the serial the promo was made for ,about 20 years of experience recording and booming ,best booman that you can find on middle east , that for sure )
to make it short , it passed almost every shot under 2 feet and for much wider ones we pulled the sanken or trow the wierless
i dont not have allot of problem with mixing the mics as i know that director will cut almost everything from the mediums and close ups , maybe will left few words from the long so the editor will have mostly deal with my chiniz friend .
in the end of the day i was quit happy , i was more happy that i was strong enout to back up and change the mic ,so i passed my fear .
the mic worked perfectly , no failuers no starnge behaivior , nothing that i couldnt live with . the dyrector and the chnnel promo people dint have anything about that the sound is harsh and the talent is not sounding ok .
the y all where feed with line feeds , the director used shuree 33 on his monitor with 7506 so get extar acurate sound from my line outs .
the video vilage was acupide with bberengher headphone distro and akg/low cos bayer headphones .
so there where no shi*ty ifb feeds as they didnt pay me enouth
so where do i put it - it is in the octava range -with small benefit , it has low cut filter of 75 and 150 which make the rumbling noise totally invisible
and work more then fine to eliminate nasty proximity effect .
it has 10 and 20 db pads (the 20 really not useful for the dialog as the mic become worse then shure 31;-)
the fast moves with 3 $ foam were not a problem at all when the filter was on .
it is abit hotter then octava , i will say it about 2 db less then schoeps with cut 1 .
the cardioid and the super cardioid capsules sounding very close , the hyper has abit more of mids so might be less proof for sibiliance , i had to take the mic off axis a bit on some takes but maybe this was this specific voice as i didn't have any of these last week on male i recorded
i paid 380 us for matched factory par with 6 capsules and nice box (got a small discount as i know the guy who run the business 410 regular but i think he give the discount to every one so maybe iam not more then the regullar castomer ))
215 if you buy 1 set and you dont get the box
all the mics come as matched par as it only way he told me that the factory will check them before they send , so he pays a bit more and has 0% dead on arrival
they sell it only with 3 capsules per mic -cant split so you get omnys that not for our regular use but why not ,some times you do need these for music so it can work on occasions or blow up when doing gun shotes
didn't really checked how matched they are but for my year they did sounded very close .
the cardioids sounded the best , but they alwais sound the best - even what people telling you about schoeps 41 i prefer the 4 cardioid for the sound
conclusion
i passed the chiniz mic fear test
it passed my boman ear and people who hear the mic on the spot
they sounds very nice for close micing
they have very low self noise at least they do not problematic in real world situation ( except the 20 db that is completely shi*)
will i use them on daily usage- yes, in placesno one pay me for my better stuff
do they friendly to use - they are
they are excellent choice as camera general mic if you dont prefer shotgun.
the handling noise and wind could be effectively been cut with 75 or 150 high pass filter , they long enough to be outside the camera , they short enough not to be in the frame ( hypercardioid)
do they have nasty spots - they do
they make sound devices preamp motor boating as cs-1 and blue lines so you have to cut low end on the mixer ( the internal lo cut doesnt help)
is it critical - no ( on 744 i could cut them with 40 hz) , so iam probably will not use them directly on music recording with sd gear without ext phantom power . they do work perfectly whith my other mixers and recorders , they work perfectly with dvx camera inputs .
length - they not the shortest, 16 cm and there is no swivel - but then oktava doesnt have it as well .
weight -about the twice then oktava
they sound ok but they do not akg or geffel or mbho , but so the oktava
ok, final - do they worth the money - big time
do they good for indy filmmakers - they do
do they more friendly and forgiving then oktava on boom and has less problems with suspension and wind flow - yes
do they sounded better - no they sounding different - they more mbho and geffel then schoeps or oktava
ahh - they dont have name or fancy logo but you always claim that it came from the same factory which make some nice brand names .
pictures
http://groups.google.com/group/sellbuyexchange-film-videoaudiogear/files?upload=1
by the way ,the first 2 days with these mic i ran them with the yogi mixer as one of the mebers here called it , the tw-44 that will get its oun review in a week or 2 .
yes it much better then the 44 or psc dv mix shi* someone did mention here in the past , very similar to wendt for the sound and bit with the price and facilities .,so stay tuned
they dont have name but they have allot in USA .
BY THE WAY they would work with peluso .charter oks , sontronics and other capsules ( or these the same capsules) and many others which share the same parents
so maybe i was very bored as i passed the 40 i year ago and decided to make
some unusual test to check if any one will notice big difference if i will change the usual schoepses i use every day( i use them as i oun them not because i cant use the mbho and akg i have as well ) and replace them with something that cost less then oktava.
so last week i got these mics and did a couple of days on documentary testimonials in very nice sound proof offices with few males with quit good and strong voices to dvx .
it passed the test without any problem as the mics where fixed 1.5 feet overhead , no movement , no quick boom flying .the director of the shotes and the editor was pleased with the results - not so suprizing as i know that if i was coming with sony camera mics it was still passing
but this time it had to pass female voice in not sound proof stage , allot of buzz from 10k and 5 k around ,
channel 2 supervisors and jumpy director + my fear to .f.u.c..k sound on 70000 us$ shooting day of one of the secussful tv drama serials here in israel ( Iimale) israeli channel 2 serial which starting the new season and make very expencive promo to run the season
except only one person on the set ( my booman) who was surprised to see new toy no other member of the crew didn't have aclew that what handling on the 600us $ ambient boom pole is 150us chiniz mic .
he was also surprised hear me say that i will take the boom and will go booming the rehearsal and he will ride the levels and will make test recording ( hd-900 sony directly true 442 )
so the rehearsal passed his ear and he asked what is the brand as there no name on the mic and was super surprised that there is no brand for that mic and it is one that has allot of names but these who decided bring it to israel decided not to give it any name at all .
he was more then surprised to hear it cost 215 usd with 3 capsules
(by the wayAlex Epstein bommed Matt Dillon , Gerard Depardieu
, the kid that see dead people and the film that took the sundance foreigner film this year and 4 features with me ,half of the episods of the serial the promo was made for ,about 20 years of experience recording and booming ,best booman that you can find on middle east , that for sure )
to make it short , it passed almost every shot under 2 feet and for much wider ones we pulled the sanken or trow the wierless
i dont not have allot of problem with mixing the mics as i know that director will cut almost everything from the mediums and close ups , maybe will left few words from the long so the editor will have mostly deal with my chiniz friend .
in the end of the day i was quit happy , i was more happy that i was strong enout to back up and change the mic ,so i passed my fear .
the mic worked perfectly , no failuers no starnge behaivior , nothing that i couldnt live with . the dyrector and the chnnel promo people dint have anything about that the sound is harsh and the talent is not sounding ok .
the y all where feed with line feeds , the director used shuree 33 on his monitor with 7506 so get extar acurate sound from my line outs .
the video vilage was acupide with bberengher headphone distro and akg/low cos bayer headphones .
so there where no shi*ty ifb feeds as they didnt pay me enouth
so where do i put it - it is in the octava range -with small benefit , it has low cut filter of 75 and 150 which make the rumbling noise totally invisible
and work more then fine to eliminate nasty proximity effect .
it has 10 and 20 db pads (the 20 really not useful for the dialog as the mic become worse then shure 31;-)
the fast moves with 3 $ foam were not a problem at all when the filter was on .
it is abit hotter then octava , i will say it about 2 db less then schoeps with cut 1 .
the cardioid and the super cardioid capsules sounding very close , the hyper has abit more of mids so might be less proof for sibiliance , i had to take the mic off axis a bit on some takes but maybe this was this specific voice as i didn't have any of these last week on male i recorded
i paid 380 us for matched factory par with 6 capsules and nice box (got a small discount as i know the guy who run the business 410 regular but i think he give the discount to every one so maybe iam not more then the regullar castomer ))
215 if you buy 1 set and you dont get the box
all the mics come as matched par as it only way he told me that the factory will check them before they send , so he pays a bit more and has 0% dead on arrival
they sell it only with 3 capsules per mic -cant split so you get omnys that not for our regular use but why not ,some times you do need these for music so it can work on occasions or blow up when doing gun shotes
didn't really checked how matched they are but for my year they did sounded very close .
the cardioids sounded the best , but they alwais sound the best - even what people telling you about schoeps 41 i prefer the 4 cardioid for the sound
conclusion
i passed the chiniz mic fear test
it passed my boman ear and people who hear the mic on the spot
they sounds very nice for close micing
they have very low self noise at least they do not problematic in real world situation ( except the 20 db that is completely shi*)
will i use them on daily usage- yes, in placesno one pay me for my better stuff
do they friendly to use - they are
they are excellent choice as camera general mic if you dont prefer shotgun.
the handling noise and wind could be effectively been cut with 75 or 150 high pass filter , they long enough to be outside the camera , they short enough not to be in the frame ( hypercardioid)
do they have nasty spots - they do
they make sound devices preamp motor boating as cs-1 and blue lines so you have to cut low end on the mixer ( the internal lo cut doesnt help)
is it critical - no ( on 744 i could cut them with 40 hz) , so iam probably will not use them directly on music recording with sd gear without ext phantom power . they do work perfectly whith my other mixers and recorders , they work perfectly with dvx camera inputs .
length - they not the shortest, 16 cm and there is no swivel - but then oktava doesnt have it as well .
weight -about the twice then oktava
they sound ok but they do not akg or geffel or mbho , but so the oktava
ok, final - do they worth the money - big time
do they good for indy filmmakers - they do
do they more friendly and forgiving then oktava on boom and has less problems with suspension and wind flow - yes
do they sounded better - no they sounding different - they more mbho and geffel then schoeps or oktava
ahh - they dont have name or fancy logo but you always claim that it came from the same factory which make some nice brand names .
pictures
http://groups.google.com/group/sellbuyexchange-film-videoaudiogear/files?upload=1
by the way ,the first 2 days with these mic i ran them with the yogi mixer as one of the mebers here called it , the tw-44 that will get its oun review in a week or 2 .
yes it much better then the 44 or psc dv mix shi* someone did mention here in the past , very similar to wendt for the sound and bit with the price and facilities .,so stay tuned
they dont have name but they have allot in USA .
BY THE WAY they would work with peluso .charter oks , sontronics and other capsules ( or these the same capsules
) and many others which share the same parents
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