The movement is wrong

Kholi said:
Well who went out and tried 1/40 and 1/45?
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I did a quick test shot with cars passing by. But I think I need to mount the camera on a tripod. I was near the side of the road, so initially the cars in the distance would not have much blur, but as they passed, the blur would be most noticeable.

While I expect there to be more blur at 1/40, than 1/50, which has been my 'normal' outdoors shooting speed, I'm not convinced that I will be 'seeing' much difference. I don't typically shoot much 'action' anyway...

The other test would be panning the camera. Which is a 'tripod' sort of thing...
 
Reflex Films said:
a lot of crew are just winding up the shutter speed to control light

and many have yet to get the NDs that were traditionally built in to our much loved HVX 200s

you must have nDs/ vari NDS on there to keep correct shutter speed /motion blur frame to frame
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Completely disagree, these dslr cameras shutter speed IS actually used to control light. Shooting at higher shutter speeds actually provides or more detailed image because of it.
 
vision_filmz said:
Completely disagree, these dslr cameras shutter speed IS actually used to control light. Shooting at higher shutter speeds actually provides or more detailed image because of it.
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...But the recorded image blur will change as you raise or lower the shutter speed. The traditional cinematographic rule for standard exposure has always been a 180 degree shutter at what ever frame rate you are shooting at. With digital cameras shooting 24p footage this translates to 1/(2xFPS), or 1/48th of a second.

Raise the shutter speed too high and you end up with that "Saving Private Ryan"/"Gladiator" frozen hyper kenetic action look to your shots.

Lower the shutter speed too low and you end up with extended motion blur, which might be very distracting if it doesn't suit your subject matter.
 
on certain shots when i look at it in the big screen, i do find some shots look video-y and i find it disturbing sometimes. i never realized its actually real.
 
vision_filmz said:
Completely disagree, these dslr cameras shutter speed IS actually used to control light. Shooting at higher shutter speeds actually provides or more detailed image because of it.
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Incorrect. To properly control your exposure and maintain a film look, you NEVER touch the shutter speed. Get some ND filters (matte box or just round filters that apply directly to the lens) and use those to stop down the image. Also use your aperture, but I find that anything from an f/10 up is not ideal. Crank your ISO in increments of 160, up to a max (personally) of 1250. And MOST importantly, control your image and exposure with light!! At night, you need to over light the scene (to your eye) to get it to look proper in camera!
 
Teddy Danh said:
Incorrect. To properly control your exposure and maintain a film look, you NEVER touch the shutter speed. Get some ND filters (matte box or just round filters that apply directly to the lens) and use those to stop down the image. Also use your aperture, but I find that anything from an f/10 up is not ideal. Crank your ISO in increments of 160, up to a max (personally) of 1250. And MOST importantly, control your image and exposure with light!! At night, you need to over light the scene (to your eye) to get it to look proper in camera!
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hey man, every now and then... you just have to get the shot.
 
vision_filmz said:
Completely disagree, these dslr cameras shutter speed IS actually used to control light. Shooting at higher shutter speeds actually provides or more detailed image because of it.
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ive seen films like that and it really hurts my eyes especially if its moving/hand held. blegh.

to add to this, i also see this on the af100. motion looking video-y :\
 
interesting....however at 14k a pop....:) I'll stick to 1/45 thanks :) .Seriously had to do a double take on that price....oh and dslr's are out since no genlock.
 
I would wager you're also seeing some of the jello effect that comes from using CMOS sensors, since that's what DSLRs are being shipped with...
 
Let me revive this thread to post this video: https://vimeo.com/44110255

I was watching because it was added to the Shot on Flaat group, but what strikes me most is that me motion looks just fantastic. E.g. the bit running side-by-side with the dog at 2:50. I don't know what it is, but it looks gorgeous.
 
When compared to Alexa or Red footage these DSLR's still move like video, even at 24p. I can't figure out what is missing or different.
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id guess, whatever it is you think youre seeing (or not seeing) may have something to do with the $38,000+ minimum price difference.

this is like asking. "i wonder why my toyota camry isnt quite as smooth or solid feeling as my friends bently?"
 
I would wager you're also seeing some of the jello effect that comes from using CMOS sensors, since that's what DSLRs are being shipped with...
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red and alexa also have CMOS sensors. and suffer from some degree from CMOS issues as well.
 
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