The HVX200's 1080P is Future Proofing your work!

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The HVX200's 1080P is Future Proofing your work!


Whether it's for a network, agency, or your personal project you plan to sell, future proofing your work should be one of your major concerns.

I can't say this enough.

You have to think ""future"" proofing of your projects here guys and gals. Whether your shooting a film, a television show, doc or whatever the project may be that you believe has the potential to have legs that will last for many years, then you need to consider capturing in the best possible format today.

We all have fun with these cameras and all the geek tech talk, however at the end of the day this is a business like every other industry.

Delivering to your client content that will work today and into tomorrows world media distribution market should be one of your top concerns. Suppose a client requests a 1080P version of that project you were hired to shoot two years earlier, however you decided to not think ahead when shooting it in the first place and can only hand over a 720p bump up. However, reverse this and if you shoot 1080p and your client only needs 720P today, that is plenty easy for you to hand over after the project is complete.


Start at the Highest peak- Work down from there....


The 1080P with it's less artifacts vs the 720p will allow you in the future to carry your project into the 1080p realm more efficiently. In the current market place there are 1080p tv's coming in droves. This change over is happening much faster than I predicted. In two years time it's going to be even much more. Shoot today, with the future in mind. Don't lock your self into 720P with the option to have 1080p in the same camera.

If you need under/over crank for a scene, then shoot that piece and bump it up to 1080p afterwards.

The1080p mode is better because that's were the HVX200 starts out. It's 1080p first from the scan of the ccd's, then a 1080i, 1080p or 720p is made from that based on your choice.

If your going to do post heavy work and you want the material to have as much future proof as possible, you must use the 1080p mode. The compression blocks and artifacts are far more present in the 720p vs the 1080p in the posting stage. If optimum performance is what you need and you must have material that will hold in the grading stage of post production, than 1080P is your only answer for future proofing your work in all stages right into delivery of today's market, tomorrow's and the future.....

So keep this in mind the next time a client hires you for a shoot, or you've decided to throw the dice on that personal project you have always wanted to make.

Think about tomorrow, today..................



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Now, maybe I didn't hang around to read the resolution (if there ever was one), but weren't you the feller creating such a ruckus a week or two ago about how the HVX didn't render natively in 1080 and there was no difference between the two? What's up with the change in tone?
 
in mike's defense, he was just relaying what was being said during the moviola event. that being said, just curious as well what lead to the change of tone?
 
I totally agree. 1080p is the reason I bought the HVX. I'd be pi*s*d if it turned out to be unusable.

By the way, "mochouinard" has generously provided server space for the 720 / 1080 comparison clips and stills from the other thread. (Thanks Marc)The link is:

http://hvx200.moctel.com/Users/kevinM/

There are now h.264 compressed versions of both of them as well, but if you are going to do any testing, I'd Use the original DVCPROHD ones if your system allows it.
 
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dougspice said:
Now, maybe I didn't hang around to read the resolution (if there ever was one), but weren't you the feller creating such a ruckus a week or two ago about how the HVX didn't render natively in 1080 and there was no difference between the two? What's up with the change in tone?

Yeah, and it seemed--if I'm not mistaken--that even the title of the thread changed as this site moved from one server to the next. The claims, if I'm remembering correctly, were that 1080 also had artifacts, according to some post house in L.A. and Panasonic should be sued for conning us about the HVX.

MPD = multiple Pappas disorder?:D :( :D :(
 
This all seems like a very sudden and abrupt about face. In my mind something must have been revealed to him about the 1080 mode that changed his mind. Or dare I say the "forces that be" have gotten to him? :)
 
Exactly what mode do you suggest taping in in the HVX200 to get the "best" 1080p from the camera? 1080i24P? 1080i24PA? Avid is my NLE.
 
I'm confused as well about the resolutions/sharpness difference.
I got lost in the several pages of posts claiming the 1080P was not any sharper than 720P. Then the thread title appeared to change.
Can you clarify your findings (again) Michael...as it seems I'm not the only one confused.
I figure I'll be shooting 720/24PN until the P2 storage sizes increase/ or the Firestore ships.
Thanks,

Brian Broz
 
I luv these questions. First of all the world is not Black and White! Good or bad! Ugly or beautiful! There are grey areas in-between. Jesus Christ, for god sakes! I have praised the HVX200 more than enough, however I am a tough critic on all things in life. The more I like something, the more I am tougher on it to prove it's worthiness of that position. I stay tough on whatever it is as it rises up to the approval level on my list. This keeps me objective. I have private clients that I do research for. I have filmmakers that are not techie one bit that trust me to tell them the truth and rely on my research to not be biased. As for the 1080P, it was PlasterCity that didn't like the 1080P mode as they said at the Moviola seminar. I for one proved many weeks ago that it indeed had something more going on with it. However my data has been small to do research on with the HVX. I like the HVX200 a lot, I am going to be that much more tough on it to make sure that my opinion is on solid ground, my clients and the people around me depend on it. I don't drink the KoolAid, however many do.


dougspice said:
Now, maybe I didn't hang around to read the resolution (if there ever was one), but weren't you the feller creating such a ruckus a week or two ago about how the HVX didn't render natively in 1080 and there was no difference between the two? What's up with the change in tone?
 
Thank you Boo! Thank you! There is hope for some that do understand!
As for tone, research takes time. Our lab has alot on it's plate, the HVX is just one item! As the data comes in I share it.


boo said:
in mike's defense, he was just relaying what was being said during the moviola event. that being said, just curious as well what lead to the change of tone?
 
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I believe Pappas is seriously disturbed:) One moment he is all over Canon and the next he sounds like an extremely young Panasonic salesman at a booth. Or it could be that Barry is very diplomatic over the phone:) I have seen this peculiar change of behaviour happen to both major Canon guys. Pappas and Rawls.

btw, I don't want to hear about 1080p native CCD scan on this camera or I will set myself on fire. Even Panasonic avoids to mention that part of the original marketing copy now. The high end 2/3 inch models of Panasonic are 1280x720. What are the chances this 1/3inch camera would need 1920 horizontal pixels to record to a 1280 horizontal pixel format?
 
Did the lawsuit get settled or something?

Did someone get replaced with an alien?

I thought that not only was 1080p not any better than 720p, but 1080p was messed up in some way that made it unuseable/inferior? I learned that in a previous post from Pappas Arts.

What's changed?

Also, if 1080p is better than 720p on this camera, please state how (boost in resolution, less compression, etc...).

Thanks!
 
The world is not Black and White! Good or bad! Ugly or beautiful!

Canon is great too! As well the JVC and the HVX200.

I hate this line drawn in the sand shiat! I don't draw lines in the sand, I have friends in all camps and see the best in them all. However each one has it's good points and bad points.

This thread was written to maybe help those that are deciding on whether to shoot 720 or 1080. No conspiracy, barry didn't give me a call.

Ok to be truthful, Barry, Jan and the Panasonic Ninja force did swing by for tea, seriously it was a friendly visit with out one arm twist.......


limo991 said:
I believe Pappas is seriously disturbed:) One moment he is all over Canon and the next he sounds like an extremely young Panasonic salesman at a booth. Or it could be that Barry is very diplomatic over the phone:) I have seen this peculiar change of behaviour happen to both major Canon guys. Pappas and Rawls.

btw, I don't want to hear about 1080p native CCD scan on this camera or I will set myself on fire. Even Panasonic avoids to mention that part of the original marketing copy now. The high end 2/3 inch models of Panasonic are 1280x720. What are the chances this 1/3inch camera would need 1920 horizontal pixels to record to a 1280 horizontal pixel format?
 
Again I just was relaying what was being said during the moviola event by the LA post house Plastercity that was part of the film out to 35mm film.


thefilmaddict said:
I thought that not only was 1080p not any better than 720p, but 1080p was messed up in some way that made it unuseable/inferior? I learned that in a previous post from Pappas Arts.


Thanks!
 
Also, if 1080p shines in the resolution department, how does that help HVX200 shooters will not benefit from increased resolution? If people are looking for 1080p footage in the future, they may not be very impressed with footage from this camera, even if it is shot in the 1080p mode, right? Maybe I'm missing something.

By the way, I'm just joking Pappas Arts. I hope you don't take my comedy the wrong way. You do a lot of work around here and I appreciate everyone of your posts!
 
PappasArts said:
Again I just was relaying what was being said during the moviola event by the LA post house Plastercity that was part of the film out to 35mm film.

"Yes it is!"
"No it isn't!"
"Yes it is . . . no it isn't!"
(never mind . . . just kidding".

Sorry Michael, just having a little fun at your expense.
No harm intended -- we've all been there at one time or another.

Might not be a bad idea when repeating what the other guy said to say who it was that said it . . . especially when starting a thread. Just a thought.

Hang in there brother.
 
They are not looking for something to test! They are looking for something they can use. Perhaps someone will ask if it HD or SD.

As in any camera, the higher resolution mode is better for many reasons. If you don't mind the bandwidth and storage needs and changing P2s more frequenctly, use 1080p. 720p is definetely HD though.
 
PappasArts said:
Again I just was relaying what was being said during the moviola event by the LA post house Plastercity that was part of the film out to 35mm film.

Oh...so they were advocating the lawsuit. Gotcha.
 
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