The FS100 - A different perspective.

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pulpfiction007

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A different perspective for those who might be disappointed with what the camera offers (BTW...this analogy will not hold true from a cost/benefit point of view for those who use DLSRs for a lot of photography)

Let's imagine the 5DMK3 is released with the following:

1. A near perfect method of getting a 1080P signal with virtually no moire/aliasing and between 700 to 800 lines of resolution.
2. Improved S/N ratio and DR
3. Video style image paramater adjustments/customization
4. A more stable codec
5. Overcranking/undercranking and more frame rate options in both 720 and 1080

The cost of the camera is around $3000

Lets then imagine they add an option package that includes:

1. An audio "box" with XLR inputs, level dials, and headphone monitoring
2. A viewfinder kit for the LCD
3. A video style remote with record/playback (etc) buttons for easier navigation in certain situations.

The cost of this package is $1500 - $2000
So the total price would be around $5000.

Now can anyone say that this would not be an absolute homerun on Canon's part and cause even more shooters to flock to them. Even with no HD SDI and ND filters.

So the question is...why is it not a homerun when Sony does it? (and actually more with things I've left out)

I personally think it is at the very least a triple!
 
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you're expecting all these from canon?
tough chance
id be happy if they do that. for now, ill earn money with my af100 to buy that imaginary cam. :)
 
dcloud said:
you're expecting all these from canon?
tough chance
id be happy if they do that. for now, ill earn money with my af100 to buy that imaginary cam. :)
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I don't think pulpfiction007 means that at all.

The way I read what he wrote is that some reviewers are maligning the NEX-FS100 because they're comparing it directly to the PMW-F3. He raises what I consider to be a very fair point - if reviewed in comparison to the Canon 5DmkII, the NEX-FS100 looks like an impressive step forward.

I bought a PMW-F3, and I'm very happy with it, but I do think the FS100 potentially fills a gap in the market for those who want excellent image quality at a rock bottom price. With an S35 imager, assuming the low light and DR are similar to the PMW-F3, it should be very competitive with the AF-100.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Everyone is always going to want more features for less. Give a mouse a cookie, he's going to ask for a glass of milk...
 
dcloud said:
you're expecting all these from canon?
tough chance
id be happy if they do that. for now, ill earn money with my af100 to buy that imaginary cam. :)
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No.....not at all. What I'm saying is that the Af100 and the FS100 ARE essentially the imaginary cam I listed above (the final line...why is the FS100 not a homerun when it does all this already ). People are constantly saying..."well if the Canon's come with no aliasing/moire, better audio, etc. I'm in"
Now we have two affordable large sensor cams that are ready for prime time. The Sony FS100 and the Pansonic AF100.
 
Viddovation said:
I don't think pulpfiction007 means that at all.

The way I read what he wrote is that some reviewers are maligning the NEX-FS100 because they're comparing it directly to the PMW-F3. He raises what I consider to be a very fair point - if reviewed in comparison to the Canon 5DmkII, the NEX-FS100 looks like an impressive step forward.

I bought a PMW-F3, and I'm very happy with it, but I do think the FS100 potentially fills a gap in the market for those who want excellent image quality at a rock bottom price. With an S35 imager, assuming the low light and DR are similar to the PMW-F3, it should be very competitive with the AF-100.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Everyone is always going to want more features for less. Give a mouse a cookie, he's going to ask for a glass of milk...
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Exactly! Thank you for clarifying that better than I could myself.
 
that is a good comparison and the FS100 is totally worth it, even comparing to any DSLR with custom rigs/modifications that may come out in the near future
 
The chip in the F3/FS100 eats the 5D's lowlight, DR (video mode), resolution (videomode) and alias performance for lunch.

The fs100 is awesome. I am thank full it exists.
 
Isn't that the purpose of these large sensor video cameras? To take the best features of the DSLRs, minus the shortcomings, and put them into proper video camera bodies. All at a reasonable cost.
Works for me.
 
TimurCivan said:
The chip in the F3/FS100 eats the 5D's lowlight, DR (video mode), resolution (videomode) and alias performance for lunch.

The fs100 is awesome. I am thank full it exists.
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Thank you, I been saying this over and over the last few days. Im getting a decent image with the t3i, But I have to jump through hoops at times. This cam will make my life so much easier. And to be honest, from what I have seen so far, I like the image way better than the af100 image. But then again, thats only my opinion.

I love the box, It's wicked versatile. This thing can morph from a cinema camera to an event cam in about two minutes. Im really shocked that more people didn't dig this thing.

How many people are using hd/sdi out on the Af100? Not many from what I have seen. Not many people are gonna do more than post to the web regardless. 4:2:2 hdmi, with time code is perfect for me. I can get a decent key with It imagine. Say what you want, at least their trying, thats more than I can say about some of the others and their vaporware.
 
I own a 5D and I've become used to the hard work it takes to create a good picture but I welcome this or any other camera that can come close to producing an equal or better image with far less hassle to achieve it.

I for one can't wait to see this camera on the market, the price seems to me to be more than fair.
If you take into account al of the extra support equipment I purchase just to make shooting with a 5D feasible, the 6,000 or less price range is a bargin as long as the camera really is capable of a great image.

Can't wait !
 
I agree 100% with this thread and it popped into my mind the minute people started moaning.

How much would a 5D user pay for 4:2:2 HMDI out with timecode? How much for an extra 1-2 stops of DR? (priceless, in my opinion)...

The list is pretty huge:

4:2:2 HDMI
2 x XLR
Headphone socket
Audio controls
Adjustable LCD
EVF attachment
Pro in camera controls
60/1080P
Better resolution
Better low light
Better DR
Various lens adapters (inc PL)
AF Lenses
 
This is of course bang on. The flip side is that the 5d has captured the imagination of a certain market, mostly commercials. Producers that don't get the technical limitations love the image and the price, for better or worse it is pre sold. If mark III ships with perfect video it will be a home run as it is pre-sold to those clients without the problems that shooter has to work so hard to hide. Also I think a lot of people invested early in canon solutions including expensive lenses with propriety electronic aperture control, and want to be able to keep that investment viable while just swapping bodies. To use a term that gets tossed around a lot on this board, canon owes these users a video system.

If you are just starting and will be buying lenses from scratch Sony has a lot to offer. The A mount (minolta AF) that sony adopted for slr's is fully supported by most of the third party manufacturers. So most of the popular dslr zooms are available if going that route. This requires the E - A adapter, but it is electronic and system native to the camera. There are also sony branded zeiss lenses that will provide the flare to producers that know what zeiss is. If you want a stills camera to go with your lenses they make pretty good cameras for that too. While they may not be as popular among photographers as canon and nikon, they do the job.
 
I'm uber excited about the FS100.

But I'm not a pro video guy; I'd personally only take it out, maybe, 30 days in a calendar year for hobby shooting.

Still trying to justify the price from an enthusiast point of view. Maybe if I could rent it out to offset the expense...

Nonetheless; been waiting for a dSLR in a video cam body ever since Nikon's D90 splashed in.
 
Well. I totally agree. I think the FS100, especially if it ends up at less then 5K, it's great. Even in N.Cooper less than "enthusiastic" review, he mentions the image is a no issue and aliasing is even less than af100. To me, image quality it's the most important thing. Two years ago this would have been a prosumer dream cam, now it's all about how it's not a 10-bit output or it lacks ND's (which I agree is kind of bleah, but...). I'm looking forward to see it up close on the 31st.
 
the camera is a work of art - of course I´d wait , if I could, for all the manufacturing wrinkles to be worked out and I´m only really disappointed that it has no ND´s onboard so a variable singh-ray is a must.... but great job for sony ! .... now let´s see how pany answers back - cool times
 
Andrew J. Allsbury said:
Do we know that it doesn't have 10bit out? Thats something I've been pretty curious about.
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Mike Harvey said:
Nigel Cooper said that the Sony rep he talked to said it was 8bit, but in another thread someone said they talked to an actual engineer on the program who said it was 10bit.
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Unfortunately it seems that is only 8 bit :embarasse. Den Lennie from F-Stop Academy took part in a web chat with Planet5D about the upcoming Sony NEX-FS100. Durig the chat Lennie commented:

"It’s not 10 bit. The more coming out, the more processing, the more heat. Our experience was very positive. You can stream out the HDMI. The Panasonic AF101 (AG-AF100) is 8 bit [but the] color space for the Panasonic is 4.2.0 and the color space on the Sony is 4.2.2."

This information, coming from one of the guys who was advising in the design of the camera, is probably true. Though he is wrong when he says that Panasonic is limited to 420, since you can get 422 8-bit out of the HD-SDI on the Panasonic.
 
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