To the Moderator:
I've read around for a while on this topic but still not satisfied about the answers I've found.
I understand about the lossy DV compression in DV camcorders, but I'm mystified as to why this effect did not occur in my previous camera - the Canon XM1. The effects are spoiling so much of my footage and tweaking the scene file has at best only partially hidden the banding with the introduction of unacceptable noise. Has anyone else encountered this problem?
My question is simply - Does that look like what you'd expect or does it look like something wrong with the camera?
Please have a look at an example of banding artifacts here (it's a small quicktime movie):
http://tonycaunce.co.uk/The Meal-Daylight-H.264 300Kbps Streaming.mov
This is just the way it looks on my flat screen monitor and in FCP. On the CRT broadcast monitor it's not nearly as bad but still overall it's completely unacceptable. This is also the way it looks in the camera viewfinder and LCD as I'm shooting. I'm doing some tests for an indoor scene.
If it weren't for the fact that I've not noticed this problem until using the DVX I'd be able to accept that all DV is limited in this way. The Canon, though it produces a far less crisp and detailed image, didn't show a hint of banding and I might have to revert to using that, but it seems silly, or perhaps I'm getting more critical about my image quality. Also I've seen footage claimed to have been taken with the DVX with blank walls in the background and there's no banding or noticeable noise so how do they do it? Is it all down to a lot of hard work in post-prod? I've read about the Ramp effect in AE and some other techniques but surely that kind of work is a last resort?
Any light shed on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
I used these settings:
25p - altered scene file as follows:
v detail freq: thin
experimented with moving the vertical detail, detail and detail coring up and down
detail level to full and detail coring to minimum gets rid of most of it but introduces too much noise.
Master ped: -4
Everything else as was in factory settings.
I've followed various recommended settings.
Maybe I should add that I'm using a PAL version.
Tony
I've read around for a while on this topic but still not satisfied about the answers I've found.
I understand about the lossy DV compression in DV camcorders, but I'm mystified as to why this effect did not occur in my previous camera - the Canon XM1. The effects are spoiling so much of my footage and tweaking the scene file has at best only partially hidden the banding with the introduction of unacceptable noise. Has anyone else encountered this problem?
My question is simply - Does that look like what you'd expect or does it look like something wrong with the camera?
Please have a look at an example of banding artifacts here (it's a small quicktime movie):
http://tonycaunce.co.uk/The Meal-Daylight-H.264 300Kbps Streaming.mov
This is just the way it looks on my flat screen monitor and in FCP. On the CRT broadcast monitor it's not nearly as bad but still overall it's completely unacceptable. This is also the way it looks in the camera viewfinder and LCD as I'm shooting. I'm doing some tests for an indoor scene.
If it weren't for the fact that I've not noticed this problem until using the DVX I'd be able to accept that all DV is limited in this way. The Canon, though it produces a far less crisp and detailed image, didn't show a hint of banding and I might have to revert to using that, but it seems silly, or perhaps I'm getting more critical about my image quality. Also I've seen footage claimed to have been taken with the DVX with blank walls in the background and there's no banding or noticeable noise so how do they do it? Is it all down to a lot of hard work in post-prod? I've read about the Ramp effect in AE and some other techniques but surely that kind of work is a last resort?
Any light shed on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
I used these settings:
25p - altered scene file as follows:
v detail freq: thin
experimented with moving the vertical detail, detail and detail coring up and down
detail level to full and detail coring to minimum gets rid of most of it but introduces too much noise.
Master ped: -4
Everything else as was in factory settings.
I've followed various recommended settings.
Maybe I should add that I'm using a PAL version.
Tony