Switched from FCP--Need Equivalant of "Export: Self-Contained Movie" from Timeline

Elton

Elton

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Switched from FCP--Need Equivalant of "Export: Self-Contained Movie" from Timeline

Wondered if anyone could help me on this one. I recently switched from FCP/Mac to PProCS5.5/Win7 and one thing I can't seem to find an easy answer on is a simple export process.

Very often I used to export a clip either from the viewer or timeline in FCP doing a "Export: Movie: Make Movie Self-Contained", which technically doesn't recompress anything. I often did this with ProRes material in FCP7.

I am using CineForm with CS5.5 and I can't seem to find the equivalent function. When I do a simple export of a clip (say, to trim down a huge clip to export for external fx work) by going "File/Export/Media" and then checking the "Match Sequence Settings". The export is usually fast, but I can often see what looks like a degradation of the image: aliasing on fine lines, etc. Like it did some kind of interlace field remixing when I was simply working in a 1080 23.976p sequence, with progressive rendering checked.

Bottom line is it seems like if there were no alterations made to the clip, that I shouldn't see a visible difference between the original and a re-exported version. (with matching sequence settings)

Can anyone help? Thanks for any replies.
 
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Make sure that "Maximum Render Quality" is selected...anytime you export a clip it's re-rendering it, so you have to make sure it's doing a high quality job of it.

If you really just want it to simply clip your source video based on your edits, you can use the project manager to trim down all the source videos based on the clips (with several frames as handles if desired) so that it's nicely packaged up to send off for fx or something similar.
 
"Match Sequence Settings" doesn't necessarily match all properties of the video clip. As the name implies, it matches them from the sequence settings.

Whether or not you can export without reencoding depends on the source footage. For DV, no problem. For any type of MPEG footage with temporal compression, like HDV, AVCHD or DSLR, PP will reencode the footage using the export settings.

The bigger issue is, why are you wanting to do this? The work flow with Premiere Pro is different in many respects from that of FCP. You may simply need to change your way of thinking and working here. (And the results can often be faster when you do.)

So, what is the need here? Why do you want to export a short section?
 
I'd like to know this question as well.

As a test the other day I set up my sequence to exactly match my clips codec which was prores, an iFrame codec. I dropped the clip on the timeline and selected to export / match sequence settings. What should have happened is the clip should have exported frame by frame without a re-render - but it didnt' it.
Premiere went thru the render process again.
 
Jim Simon said:
"Match Sequence Settings" doesn't necessarily match all properties of the video clip. As the name implies, it matches them from the sequence settings.

Whether or not you can export without reencoding depends on the source footage. For DV, no problem. For any type of MPEG footage with temporal compression, like HDV, AVCHD or DSLR, PP will reencode the footage using the export settings.

The bigger issue is, why are you wanting to do this? The work flow with Premiere Pro is different in many respects from that of FCP. You may simply need to change your way of thinking and working here. (And the results can often be faster when you do.)

So, what is the need here? Why do you want to export a short section?
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Sometimes I simply want a quick way to, say, extract a small section of a long clip to send off to an FX person. When you start off with clips that are transcoded from AVCHD to CineForm, it makes sense to try and not recompress the material, no matter how good the codec is in multiple generations.

Simple stuff like that. In FCP, it was just a matter of "Export/Make Movie/Self Contained", give it a name and it simply copied the needed frames.

Thanks for the reply!
 
Elton said:
When you start off with clips that are transcoded from AVCHD to CineForm, it makes sense to try and not recompress the material, no matter how good the codec is in multiple generations.
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Premiere works with the native AVCHD stuff just fine so it would be better quality wise to edit in AVCHD and only in the end, do the master files as Cineform. Premiere doesn't have quite the same approach as FCP7 has and such doesn't really export without re-encoding anything except DV. In that way FCP7 still has some small things that Premiere doesn't do. Like this. Maybe a feature request is in order if that is the workflow you want to use? Though I must recommend editing the AVCHD files directly, as that is the way I do it and it works great here.
 
I'd agree with maarek. Work with the original media here. It'll be easier to send off a single clip when the need arises.
 
I'd agree with editing the original material if AVCHD editing were truly as snappy as CineForm. Not even close on my very well beefed up laptop. (i7, NVIDIA GPU w/Mercury, adequate RAM, etc) Maybe the ultimate workstation setup might make a difference, but I find native AVCHD editing to be nowhere near as good as something like CF. It's just laggy when scrubbing, and that's a dealbreaker for me.
 
Elton said:
Sometimes I simply want a quick way to, say, extract a small section of a long clip to send off to an FX person.
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Having used After Effects for a long time, I have been in the habit of 'rendering' out clips, destined to brought into other programs, using the Animation (lossless) codec. It does generate more file data... a lot more... but would avoid any question about recompression generations.

If it was for a 'proof of concept'... didn't worry and used any codec that plays 'smoothly' on my machine... often resized as well...
 
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