Surfers Point - New HPX300 Prototype Clip
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puredrifting
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Well, lets talk practical not esoteric. The 5D MKII is a DSLR that happens to shoot video. And it isn't 29.97 real video, it is 30 fps video. That causes a lot of PITA problems when trying to interface 5D MKII footage with dual system sound recorders and other video cameras. The ergonomics are a disaster for shooting video. The operation of the major functional systems are not setup for video. People are shooting some nice video with the 5D MKII in spite of the fact that it is not constructed to shoot video. A friend of mine has been shooting one and he likes it but is constantly complaing about how horrible it is to shoot video with. I agree.
While the sensor in the 300 is not nearly as sexy as the full frame sensor in the 5D MKII, the 300 is a video camera, not a still camera. I would never want to shoot a client video with the 5D MKII. It is definitely an evolutionary camera and is great for what it is. But for real work, give me a video camera.
Dan
While the sensor in the 300 is not nearly as sexy as the full frame sensor in the 5D MKII, the 300 is a video camera, not a still camera. I would never want to shoot a client video with the 5D MKII. It is definitely an evolutionary camera and is great for what it is. But for real work, give me a video camera.
Dan
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Andy:
I am doing a big shoot this week with my HPX170 and a prototype HPX300. I have not had time and probably will not have time to hook both up to scopes and to hunt down an accurate broadcast monitor and play with the two. Would you consider posting or PMing me your setup parameters that you used to match the 170 and the 300? Don't need the actual scene file, just the parameters that you used to get them close.
I just setup the 300 with B-Press, Cine-Like Matrix, no boosts or cuts to detail, no chroma boost. Any advice you could offer on matching the two to be close? BTW, I do usually buy my cameras from your Burbank office, if that matters? ;-)
Thanks,
Dan
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DavidNJ
Carbonite Member
Fully agree the Canon is full of operational problems...the reason I for one, and I'm sure many others don't have one. Form factor is a minor one...for me it would live on a tripod. Shoulder, Steadicam (or, I have glidecam with forearm brace), or figrig...who cares?
That the images are so good...few clients would complain. As far as the sound, I would guess you may be the most (one of the most) knowledgeable people at that. However, is it really that hard to work around?
Here is a picture from 5DM2 forum here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=163464
That the images are so good...few clients would complain. As far as the sound, I would guess you may be the most (one of the most) knowledgeable people at that. However, is it really that hard to work around?
Here is a picture from 5DM2 forum here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=163464
puredrifting
Major Contributor
The sound is not that hard to deal with, it is just a pain, epecially when shooting long form interviews when you are going to have the device clocks slipping out of time with each other. PITA and time consuming to fix. This is editing time that would difficult to bill out extra hours on, what are you going to tell a client, "yeah, the audio keeps slipping out of sync so I had to go in and manually slip and slide it and pitch shift it to stay in lip sync"? Ughh, no thanks.
Also, not being able to control exposure or make consistent exposures would be a drag. The 5D MKII has a lot going for it but a lot against it as well. The shame is that Canon could take this core technology and eventually bury their competition in the $5k to $7k range. What if you could buy a camera with ergonomic ease of the HPX170 but it had the huge sensor and a Canon or Nikon lens mount? That camera would rule the world. Shallow depth of field, insane ISO capability, but with good handling, exposure, ergonomics and that killer picture that the 5D MKII is getting. It's the typical case, no one manufacturer is nailing it all yet, they are all close but not there yet.
Then again as far as Panasonic and Sony, they would never introduce that camera because who would buy 355s, 700s, 2700s and 500s, if this technology was available for $5,000.00? Canon should just bag their HDV pro cameras, come out with this proposed camera and they could gain a lot of market share. The RED Scarlet promises some of this technology but the RED workflow is a detriment to many users. Wrong codec and workflow for many of us. That leads us back to P2 and AVC Intra. Maybe Panasonic could buy the 5D MKII lensmount, sensor and image processing but pair that with P2 and the AVC Intra. Mmm...good stuff.
As for today, the 300 is still impressing the heck out of me. It is also an ergonomic dream too.
Dan
Also, not being able to control exposure or make consistent exposures would be a drag. The 5D MKII has a lot going for it but a lot against it as well. The shame is that Canon could take this core technology and eventually bury their competition in the $5k to $7k range. What if you could buy a camera with ergonomic ease of the HPX170 but it had the huge sensor and a Canon or Nikon lens mount? That camera would rule the world. Shallow depth of field, insane ISO capability, but with good handling, exposure, ergonomics and that killer picture that the 5D MKII is getting. It's the typical case, no one manufacturer is nailing it all yet, they are all close but not there yet.
Then again as far as Panasonic and Sony, they would never introduce that camera because who would buy 355s, 700s, 2700s and 500s, if this technology was available for $5,000.00? Canon should just bag their HDV pro cameras, come out with this proposed camera and they could gain a lot of market share. The RED Scarlet promises some of this technology but the RED workflow is a detriment to many users. Wrong codec and workflow for many of us. That leads us back to P2 and AVC Intra. Maybe Panasonic could buy the 5D MKII lensmount, sensor and image processing but pair that with P2 and the AVC Intra. Mmm...good stuff.
As for today, the 300 is still impressing the heck out of me. It is also an ergonomic dream too.
Dan
DavidNJ
Carbonite Member
They will have to...Nikon, Samsung and Fuji have no such restrictions. Sony's still camera division and Canon's prosumer video division are looking for breakout products.
Actually Fuji has a new sensor, about a 2/3rd, 12Mp but supports two forms of binning. A two pixel for one for increased low light capability and a split for adjoining photo sites at different exposure values increasing the dynamic range. SI says the SI2k (2/3rds) with 16mm lenses is fast enough to get bokeh.
Actually Fuji has a new sensor, about a 2/3rd, 12Mp but supports two forms of binning. A two pixel for one for increased low light capability and a split for adjoining photo sites at different exposure values increasing the dynamic range. SI says the SI2k (2/3rds) with 16mm lenses is fast enough to get bokeh.
Spartacus
Veteran
So close before NAB my hopes are sinking for a breakthrough product from them.
Also, who knows how our beloved camera manufacturers are interconnected?
Sony and Pana just might say "so we´ll bundle Fujinon glass with all our pro cams from now on..." just to remind Canon that a gain in one market sector can mean a loss in another...
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Canon is the only video manufacturer that nobody seems to know what they are doing. All of the previous generation cameras were never rumored in the trades before introduction so who knows, but supposedly people have reported talking to Canon reps that have said that Canon will stick with HDV (which is looking more and more antique as a codec and a format as the days go by).
It would be awesome if Canon would license AVC Intra and P2 from Panasonic or if Panasonic would license the lens system/mount and sensor from Canon.
If only things were so simple.
D
It would be awesome if Canon would license AVC Intra and P2 from Panasonic or if Panasonic would license the lens system/mount and sensor from Canon.
If only things were so simple.
D
DavidNJ
Carbonite Member
If Canon sticks with HDV they might as well close shop. It is far to weak a protocol for today's prosumer market that has or will have a full array of 1080 3 sensor cameras with either AVC Intra, or AVC long GOP, where 4/3rds, APS-C, and FF35 cameras have extensive video capabilities with big sensors and excellent lenses. Where 21-24Mb/s AVCHD is becoming the norm, even in Canon's own product line. I would imagine an HF S10 takes and records better images than a A1s.
AVC Intra is the best on camera we have now...but the same specs capturing 100Mb/s or more and also support an AVC long GOP would have been nice. Once motion is added, long GOP adds significant detail at the same bandwidth.
AVC Intra is the best on camera we have now...but the same specs capturing 100Mb/s or more and also support an AVC long GOP would have been nice. Once motion is added, long GOP adds significant detail at the same bandwidth.