Study say 4K transition will be faster than HD was.

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MPB said:
so is the implication that 80% of people will be watching 4k content from their blu-ray players within 10 years? how is this not, ultimately, an infrastructure and bandwidth question?
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In 10 years there will be billions of smartphones with 4K video and youtube will be 80% 4K. Either you move or you get out of the way.
 
If you told someone 10 years ago there will be tens of millions of people with 4K cameras in their pocket in 10 years they would call you crazy.
 
The elephant in the room is how motion looks. And I just don't really like the look of motion on LCD or LEDs. Plasmas are better but still something just looks off on it. I like the motion on my macbook pro monitor - so I have no idea what they have in these screens. Anyone else have these experiences?
 
joe1946 said:
If you told someone 10 years ago there will be tens of millions of people with 4K cameras in their pocket in 10 years they would call you crazy.
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4k cameras can be delivered via UPS, and they take up no more space on the truck or the road than any other camera.
 
joe1946 said:
If you told someone 10 years ago there will be tens of millions of people with 4K cameras in their pocket in 10 years they would call you crazy.
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Hardly. We all know technology progresses, and who knows, maybe we'll have 8k phone cameras in just a couple years. I don't think I'd really see the point then, or now, but that's just me. Crazy? No. Silly? Maybe.
 
Aren't there diminishing returns on 4K on screens that small? You can't even appreciate the resolution with your eye at its closest possible viewing distance, in my opinion. Ditto computer monitors. . .most people have small ones (I didn't think of PC gamers before. I guess they'd go big as well), that can't even display 1080 at full size.
 
I think this is maybe all being looked at in too narrow a way. Thinking too much of "4k video being watched on a 4k screen" - end of story.

Shooting 4k opens up many more possibilities. In some circumstances, frame grabs from 4k can be used as still images in their own right, far more acceptably than is the case with standard HD. (Though on occasion 1920x1080 frame grabs have been more than acceptable for still image use.) Then there's the options for reframing in post if the end result is 1080 without quality loss, let alone the possibilities there of filming a wide shot and close up in one hit, as mentioned before.

And even if there was to be no 4k transmission, a 4k screen may come into it's own for display of still images, signage, multi-picture display and a host of other uses. And it's likely to do full justice to upscaled HD.

And whilst 4k broadcast may be a way off, then 4k consumer cameras are likely to come rapidly - witness the GH4 and the rumours of a 4k Sony full-frame. All those can only fuel demand for 4k displays. Maybe not to get such if your existing set is working fine - but if in the market for a screen anyway, it's going to be increasingly likely that buyers will specify 4k. And it's new sales that are of interest to manufacturers - not what people have already got.
 
joe1946 said:
In 10 years there will be billions of smartphones with 4K video and youtube will be 80% 4K. Either you move or you get out of the way.
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If its anything like HD, I will just get out of the way. And watch people spend money foolishly
until they go out of business. Then after years have passed and clients actually
ask for it, I will upgrade. And all those who went out of business spending on 4k will
ask me how I managed to stay in business. 'Pure luck', I'll tell them. 'Just pure luck.'
 
alaskacameradude said:
If its anything like HD, I will just get out of the way. And watch people spend money foolishly
until they go out of business. Then after years have passed and clients actually
ask for it, I will upgrade. And all those who went out of business spending on 4k will
ask me how I managed to stay in business. 'Pure luck', I'll tell them. 'Just pure luck.'
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Very wise. At this point, I am getting into 4K, because it is the first video format I can truly enjoy. But if I was in this for the 'story', or just solely business, I would be right there with you. Investing in 4K to 'get' clients is just chasing trends.... and trends change. Very wise words, sir.
 
alaskacameradude said:
If its anything like HD, I will just get out of the way. And watch people spend money foolishly
until they go out of business. Then after years have passed and clients actually
ask for it, I will upgrade. And all those who went out of business spending on 4k will
ask me how I managed to stay in business. 'Pure luck', I'll tell them. 'Just pure luck.'
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That's my approach. My clients want SD DVD or 720 or 1080 web video. Once 4k becomes actually needed widespread, the cameras will be better and more affordable as well as NLEs capable of post.
 
firehawk said:
Once 4k becomes actually needed widespread
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Believe me, the Internet will make that happen faster than you think. If we only had the networks, cable and satellite, yeah, it would take eons, but all the Internet video providers will change that.
 
Believe me...

Mark my word...

I guarantee...

You'll see...


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To many people are getting confused between the hardware and the content!

You may not "need" the 4k tv "ever"! The simple thing is that all the hardware to support 4k content is being made now. Why make both if its backwards compatible.
 
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firehawk said:
That's my approach. My clients want SD DVD or 720 or 1080 web video. Once 4k becomes actually needed widespread, the cameras will be better and more affordable as well as NLEs capable of post.
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Yup. Basically my first HD camera was a FS700 (actually a FS100 traded in for a FS700
after a few months). When my clients actually were willing to pay for HD, that was what was
out. I got to skip the HDV cams and so on. By the time I buy a 4k cam, they should be better
than what they are now....for less money.
 
Camerapilot said:
Believe me, the Internet will make that happen faster than you think. If we only had the networks, cable and satellite, yeah, it would take eons, but all the Internet video providers will change that.
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Maybe for those in cities. Many of us in rural areas with only one provider don't get the speeds needed
for HD streaming let alone 4k.
 
alaskacameradude said:
Maybe for those in cities. Many of us in rural areas with only one provider don't get the speeds needed
for HD streaming let alone 4k.
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Phhhhh... I'm in one of the most wired urban areas in the country and 4k on Youtube always chokes.

I totally get 4k for higher end acquisition. I just think most of us forget that many if not most consumers are perfectly fine with "good enough". And considering more and more people are watching their video on tablets and smaller devices, most consumers will probably not really care if that video is 1080p or 4k, as long as it's good enough.
 
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