Stuck with a Mac...

Oh I don't know... maybe I should give in... come to the dark side...

See, to me, eye candy is Kate Beckinsale in a tight latex outfit in Underworld... :evil:

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Mac is infallable. The fault must be on your end. I suggest buying a new brain from Apple Computers.

His Holiness Steve Jobs has spoken
 
Dude, you can't use a mac like you would unix or linux. You can't even use it like you would windows. it's its own machine, you have to use it the way it's meant to be used. instead of trying to find a way to do something a specific way, try letting the program do it. it's pretty intuitive once you get used to how it works.

To put it another way, it would be like trying to drive a porsche like a ford, or a go-kart like a ferrari, however you want to describe it. Every car and manufacturer has certain things they choose to emphasise over others, quality of interior vs solidity of construction, vs horsepower vs looks vs whatever else is important. When I bought a mustang, I valued straight line horsepower over handling capabilities, but driving in my mom's bmw I can feel the importance of bmw's emphasis on handling and driveability. They're all different machines, for different uses.
 
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morten said:
Mac is infallable. The fault must be on your end. I suggest buying a new brain from Apple Computers.

His Holiness Steve Jobs has spoken
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lol... thanks morten... :thumbsup:

mrWr0ng said:
Dude, you can't use a mac like you would unix or linux. You can't even use it like you would windows. it's its own machine, you have to use it the way it's meant to be used. instead of trying to find a way to do something a specific way, try letting the program do it. it's pretty intuitive once you get used to how it works.

To put it another way, it would be like trying to drive a porsche like a ford, or a go-kart like a ferrari, however you want to describe it. Every car and manufacturer has certain things they choose to emphasise over others, quality of interior vs solidity of construction, vs horsepower vs looks vs whatever else is important. When I bought a mustang, I valued straight line horsepower over handling capabilities, but driving in my mom's bmw I can feel the importance of bmw's emphasis on handling and driveability. They're all different machines, for different uses.
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I'm not concerned with it being intuitive or not. Mac is BSD based. That's a fact. I should be able to do anything I want to do via command line. That's all I'm looking to do. I don't want to install UNIX software or port anything from UNIX. I just want to do things the way that's more comfortable for me. There are PLENTY of technical guys who run a Mac in more of a UNIX manner. That's why books have been written on the subject. I'm refuse to adapt myself to a specific "way of thinking" because Apple or whoever else dictates that I should do so to use their computer. That, to me, is asinine.
 
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I'm not concerned with it being intuitive or not. Mac is BSD based. That's a fact. I should be able to do anything I want to do via command line. That's all I'm looking to do. I don't want to install UNIX software or port anything from UNIX. I just want to do things the way that's more comfortable for me. There are PLENTY of technical guys who run a Mac in more of a UNIX manner. That's why books have been written on the subject. I'm refuse to adapt myself to a specific "way of thinking" because Apple or whoever else dictates that I should do so to use their computer. That, to me, is asinine.
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Hell, Tom. There's no reason to subject yourself to such pain. Give the damned thing to me. :happy:
 
Tom Marshall said:
lol... thanks morten... :thumbsup:



I'm not concerned with it being intuitive or not. Mac is BSD based. That's a fact. I should be able to do anything I want to do via command line. That's all I'm looking to do. I don't want to install UNIX software or port anything from UNIX. I just want to do things the way that's more comfortable for me. There are PLENTY of technical guys who run a Mac in more of a UNIX manner. That's why books have been written on the subject. I'm refuse to adapt myself to a specific "way of thinking" because Apple or whoever else dictates that I should do so to use their computer. That, to me, is asinine.
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And Jaguars are built on Ford chasses. But you still don't drive them the same.

Just because it's built on BSD doesn't mean it's BSD. It's not; it shares a codebase, but if you want BSD, then install BSD on the machine and be done with it. OS X is NOT BSD.

In order to use ANY machine, you have to adapt to the developer's way of thinking. Because the developer says "This should do that." And that's the basic approach. In UNIX, "this" via codeline is a very specific explanation to the computer of what to do. In OS X, a different thing causes it to react a different way. That's just how the machine works. One car's stick shift has reverse to the left and up, another car's stick has reverse to the right and down. It's different ways of doing the same thing.

It's not brainwashing, but the way Macs work is this approach: You want to do one of a set number of things when you open a program. In iTunes, for example, you open it because you want to listen to something. So your farthest-left bar is your options of "types of listening" - videos, podcasts, music, etc. Underneath it are playlists. Then you go to your genres of music, your artists, your albums, and then finally the songs themselves. The point is that you've opened the program to do one of these things, and you can click what you want. Think silent film vs talkie.

Limiting choices works and it doesn't work. With an ipod shuffle, for example, limiting choices really works - you want to either listen to the music straight or on random, and here's your basic playback functions to skip forward or backward. And that's it. Why? Because it's meant to do certain things and nothing else. But it's *very* good at those things it's meant to do.

I would guess that's it in a nushell - if you want it to do things your way, you're not going to be happy. But if there are certain things you want to do, there's a really good chance that there's a very easy way to do it. In Windows, I used to use foobar to listen to my music, kept .m3u playlists in each folder, and had all the folders sorted Genre - Artist - Album, then the .m3u in each folder, then I would use Windows Explorer to browse the folders. At first I hated using iTunes, but once I saw how it made use of every thing I'd already been doing manually, it made sense.
 
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I get what you're saying. The problem is, I was given a Mac to use for work. Of course, it would be much easier to set up a Linux box, but I didn't really have a choice in the matter. I'm not a Mac person nor do I care to be. What I wanted to do was adapt it to the way that I'm used to working on UNIX. If I spent more time on it, I'm sure I could finesse it more to my liking, but I don't think it's worth it, to tell you the truth.

To use your car analogy, I could buy a Mustang and really tune the suspension - Koni yellow shocks, coil over suspension, tubular sway bars, a lowering kit. I could also get an aluminum engine, both block and heads, relocate the battery to the trunk, and other tricks, which would get me closer to a 50/50 weight balance between the front and rear wheels. Everything combined would allow me to easily pull over a G on the skid pad. In the computer world, instead of costing money to do that stuff, it cost time, really... and the desire to do it...

But in the end, I think I'm going to ask for a PC laptop instead...
 
Tommy, just dont move Reverse up and to the left. It wasnt made that way.

And if you put the battery in the trunk, where will you put the bodies?

In England, we call the trunk the "boot".

It makes more sense. It was made for boots. Not batteries. Use MAC.
 
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