Stu @ Prolost: no 24P for the 5dMkii
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Digigenic
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Something isn't adding up.
We had all sorts of people (known members from various forums) giving inside information that were practically promising 24p implementation.
So, either those people were straight up lying, which I don't think is the case, or the people who were testing the feature were in fact using test mules for an entirely different camera housed in the 5DmkII body.
New product announcments are expected this fall from a variety of companies, one being Nikon with their D700x (or whatever the D700 successor is called). If that arrives HD enabled, it will most certainly have 24p and if Canon isn't directly responsive to that with an updated 5DmkII, they will probably do so with another camera. I'd almost certainly trade in-up for that camera if it's competitively spec'd/priced against the Nikon equivalent. If not, I have no problem using Nikon.
We had all sorts of people (known members from various forums) giving inside information that were practically promising 24p implementation.
So, either those people were straight up lying, which I don't think is the case, or the people who were testing the feature were in fact using test mules for an entirely different camera housed in the 5DmkII body.
New product announcments are expected this fall from a variety of companies, one being Nikon with their D700x (or whatever the D700 successor is called). If that arrives HD enabled, it will most certainly have 24p and if Canon isn't directly responsive to that with an updated 5DmkII, they will probably do so with another camera. I'd almost certainly trade in-up for that camera if it's competitively spec'd/priced against the Nikon equivalent. If not, I have no problem using Nikon.
I wouldn't say that anyone's lying, but before I bought the MKii-- in fact two months prior-- I was specifically told "Manual Controls early Summer, 24P never."
Same person said that if 24p EVER happened, you'd send your camera in and pay to get it. That's why I asked people "is it a send in or firmware update?"
However, I still purchased it because I knew it'd work for a little while and I could get some experience with it, that and it keeps its resale value.
I didn't here August for the new Canon camera, however. I heard late September early October, but that might be an actual date as to when you can get your hands on it.
Same person said that if 24p EVER happened, you'd send your camera in and pay to get it. That's why I asked people "is it a send in or firmware update?"
However, I still purchased it because I knew it'd work for a little while and I could get some experience with it, that and it keeps its resale value.
I didn't here August for the new Canon camera, however. I heard late September early October, but that might be an actual date as to when you can get your hands on it.
Digigenic
Well-known member
Magic Lantern 2, 24p boogaloo. I'd buy it. straight up.
You're right on all counts. Though I'm optimistic on future implementations of their HD enabled DSLRs to remedy some of the problems experienced on the D90.
We shall see soon enough.
squig
Veteran
I've never expected it to or not happen. But if nikon doesn't come to the party soon I'm going to be doing a lot of shaking.
Ozone and Turbo. Yep. Those were the breakdancers names I think.
This is weird. According to Stu, the price for a canon VDSLR is moving up from 4000 to about 7000. Nikon, if they release the same specs, said they would hook up the D300/D4 and all that, bumping up their price even further. I think a D3 now is 8 grand.
I hope Panny remains at 1500.
Ok RED is cheap, but again, for studios. I don't have 7000 dollars for a scarlet without modules.
I'm scared the VDSLRs are gonna get out of the sub 2000 price range, and that's their strongest point. The minute you're spending more than 5000 you're talking adapters and proper signal.
Does anyone realize that the Harinezumi is more manual that the D90? you ahve a choice between 2 ISOs.
Just manual on Nikon, or PAL on Canon.
If prices keep going up with the specs then we're gonna see another extreme.
The thing about these cameras was that they are 'not' professional video cameras. The three legged dog that wins the race seems to be fitted with an armani suit now.
I really hope Panny stay in their field. I'm getting a PAL model now. Before the GH2 comes out at 3500 dollars or something.
T
This is weird. According to Stu, the price for a canon VDSLR is moving up from 4000 to about 7000. Nikon, if they release the same specs, said they would hook up the D300/D4 and all that, bumping up their price even further. I think a D3 now is 8 grand.
I hope Panny remains at 1500.
Ok RED is cheap, but again, for studios. I don't have 7000 dollars for a scarlet without modules.
I'm scared the VDSLRs are gonna get out of the sub 2000 price range, and that's their strongest point. The minute you're spending more than 5000 you're talking adapters and proper signal.
Does anyone realize that the Harinezumi is more manual that the D90? you ahve a choice between 2 ISOs.
Just manual on Nikon, or PAL on Canon.
If prices keep going up with the specs then we're gonna see another extreme.
The thing about these cameras was that they are 'not' professional video cameras. The three legged dog that wins the race seems to be fitted with an armani suit now.
I really hope Panny stay in their field. I'm getting a PAL model now. Before the GH2 comes out at 3500 dollars or something.
T
Ozone and Turbo. Yep. Those were the breakdancers names I think.
This is weird. According to Stu, the price for a canon VDSLR is moving up from 4000 to about 7000. Nikon, if they release the same specs, said they would hook up the D300/D4 and all that, bumping up their price even further. I think a D3 now is 8 grand.
I hope Panny remains at 1500.
Ok RED is cheap, but again, for studios. I don't have 7000 dollars for a scarlet without modules.
I'm scared the VDSLRs are gonna get out of the sub 2000 price range, and that's their strongest point. The minute you're spending more than 5000 you're talking adapters and proper signal.
Does anyone realize that the Harinezumi is more manual that the D90? you ahve a choice between 2 ISOs.
Just manual on Nikon, or PAL on Canon.
If prices keep going up with the specs then we're gonna see another extreme.
The thing about these cameras was that they are 'not' professional video cameras. The three legged dog that wins the race seems to be fitted with an armani suit now.
I really hope Panny stay in their field. I'm getting a PAL model now. Before the GH2 comes out at 3500 dollars or something.
T
This is weird. According to Stu, the price for a canon VDSLR is moving up from 4000 to about 7000. Nikon, if they release the same specs, said they would hook up the D300/D4 and all that, bumping up their price even further. I think a D3 now is 8 grand.
I hope Panny remains at 1500.
Ok RED is cheap, but again, for studios. I don't have 7000 dollars for a scarlet without modules.
I'm scared the VDSLRs are gonna get out of the sub 2000 price range, and that's their strongest point. The minute you're spending more than 5000 you're talking adapters and proper signal.
Does anyone realize that the Harinezumi is more manual that the D90? you ahve a choice between 2 ISOs.
Just manual on Nikon, or PAL on Canon.
If prices keep going up with the specs then we're gonna see another extreme.
The thing about these cameras was that they are 'not' professional video cameras. The three legged dog that wins the race seems to be fitted with an armani suit now.
I really hope Panny stay in their field. I'm getting a PAL model now. Before the GH2 comes out at 3500 dollars or something.
T
I think if Panasonic's Still Division begins to conjure up "Prosumer" line-ups then you might see a 2500.00 "GH-X" or some crap like that. HOWEVER, I bet it'd have as much functionality as you'd ever need considering what the GH-1 has.
Food for thought.
I think Scarlet's gonna drop in price, but not much. And I think (v)DSLRs need to get pricey for the cream of the crop or they'll just cave in on themselves. The system has to stabilize at a point where it can continue to survive. If you gave everything away for free, how can you afford to live and make more of it to give away?
If we're lucky at all, we get the same line-ups: consumer, prosumer, professional. At the worst, they're probably still better image options than most dedicated video cameras and you have to do workarounds to get where you want.
So be it.
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Does anyone realize that the Harinezumi is more manual that the D90? you ahve a choice between 2 ISOs.[/quote]
Sad huh? LOL
Not just yet. I mean, again, the still camera exists on various levels and with video becoming a mainstay at each level, then you still get video. You just don't get it all for nothing. it's how things have been done on this planet forever, no big deal.
I wouldn't fret too much about it. In video world you couldn't get the top-of-the-top, right? Won't really change now. You just get what you can get and work with it. only difference is, again, what you can get is far more now than what you could get just two years ago!
squig
Veteran
prices aren't changing it's just that the more expensive models are due for an update. When the D90 is replaced next year it should have an improved video spec but in the meantime it's the D300 and D700 replacements that may or may not be potential MKII killers. There's also a chance that a lower end canon camera might have 24p.
I won't sell my MKII until another DSLR comes out that matches the picture quality 24p or no 24p.
I won't sell my MKII until another DSLR comes out that matches the picture quality 24p or no 24p.
Digigenic
Well-known member
You've misunderstood.
He's referring to the 1Ds/1D series - which have always caused nosebleeds.
He's saying that the 24p feature would be reserved for them at this time, and probably only them for a while because Canon is scared* (*insert " suffering from paranoia fueled by greed and haunting their customers with planned obsolescence")
So don't overreact, we'll still have cheap HD enabled DSLRs, it's just a question of whether they'll allow the frame rate to run at 24, 25, 30, 60, or hey how about that 20fps on the Tsi!?!
Emanuel
Cross-Examiner
Indeed. With 'twixtors' nearby, picture quality is what actually counts in the end. BTW, the blogger wrote what someone said from someone else. He didn't throw in the towel yet, as it is possible to read in the end of the article.
squig
Veteran
No 24p is an annoyance just like jello that can be worked around. In 6-12 months time there should be a few contenders to the MKII crown and annoyances will be history. I don't know if nikon can do it yet, I'd be a lot more confident if they had at least done a manual control firmware update for the D90.
To Kholi
All valid points. My only concern is that the cheaper models disappear in time. That's the scary one.
This VDSLR was (I have a feeling) a happy accident more than an inevitability, an 'afterthought' as mentioned. Maybe they thought they went way too cheap in the beginning? I hope it's just spreading features out over a price range, as opposed to wiping the slate and starting again at a higher point.
At Kholi for harinezumi comment, It's so sad its almost brilliant. I think it's between iso 100/800 and I coulda sworn I read either f8 or f3.
I still like it I wanna pick up ten harinezumis and do weekly local neighborhood shoot offs. Winner gets hammered on losers' account at the pub. Judges are required not be film experts. Hence voting for the lightweight drinker amongst all competitors.
I'm with squig on manual controls. I can deal with the jello. Not having shots with specs and settings you know by value is annoying for anything commercial that has to go to another department.
Is anyone kinda over the fixed lens scarlet option if it's still on the drawing board?
T
All valid points. My only concern is that the cheaper models disappear in time. That's the scary one.
This VDSLR was (I have a feeling) a happy accident more than an inevitability, an 'afterthought' as mentioned. Maybe they thought they went way too cheap in the beginning? I hope it's just spreading features out over a price range, as opposed to wiping the slate and starting again at a higher point.
At Kholi for harinezumi comment, It's so sad its almost brilliant. I think it's between iso 100/800 and I coulda sworn I read either f8 or f3.
I still like it I wanna pick up ten harinezumis and do weekly local neighborhood shoot offs. Winner gets hammered on losers' account at the pub. Judges are required not be film experts. Hence voting for the lightweight drinker amongst all competitors.
I'm with squig on manual controls. I can deal with the jello. Not having shots with specs and settings you know by value is annoying for anything commercial that has to go to another department.
Is anyone kinda over the fixed lens scarlet option if it's still on the drawing board?
T
I was over it when I saw it. However, it's not too terrible. I mean, it's larger than the 2/3" measure, which is cool. I just think why bother? S35 please. Scarlet's real draw is high speed in-camera acquisition and Redcode. There's something truly magical about messing up a shot in camera then going into REDAlert, exporting CameraRGB files and magically having the shot as good as gold.
Is it needed? Fundamentally no, which is why it's going to be extremely hard for me to justify 7K on a brain alone based on High Speed and Redcode alone.
Grey, don't worry. It'll equalize within the ranges. Every camera will have 24p later on.
The "pro" models will have it for a while, then it'll trickle down further and further. Only a matter of time.
I can't figure out why I just have no faith in Nikon what-so-ever. Is it because I own Contax Zeiss glass and you can't use it on Nikon bodies? LoL. Although, I've got a set of Zeiss ZF's coming... that could change my mind.
Nikon just seems so damned limiting for whatever reason.
Is it needed? Fundamentally no, which is why it's going to be extremely hard for me to justify 7K on a brain alone based on High Speed and Redcode alone.
Grey, don't worry. It'll equalize within the ranges. Every camera will have 24p later on.
The "pro" models will have it for a while, then it'll trickle down further and further. Only a matter of time.
I can't figure out why I just have no faith in Nikon what-so-ever. Is it because I own Contax Zeiss glass and you can't use it on Nikon bodies? LoL. Although, I've got a set of Zeiss ZF's coming... that could change my mind.
Nikon just seems so damned limiting for whatever reason.