stepping up to cine lenses without blowing the bank account

David W. Jones said:
When did I ever say that Cine lenses were a scam???
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I believe that was Lee that said that. I highly disagree with his statement.
I own both the zeiss zf primes and a set of the zeiss compact primes. I much prefer working with the cp's and so does my AC. The beauty of this camera is the fact that it will take pretty much any lens out there and I'll probably usually use my cp's but if I need a macro, I'll use my zeiss 100mm nikon mount or a long lens, then the nikon 300/2.8 ais. For a short zoom ( or rather variable prime) I'll use my nikon 17-35/2.8 which is a fantastic lens but not one that you want to follow focus with.
The problem with this camera is that it'll take any lens out there so now I'm looking at ebay and thinking that it would be nice to have some leicas to play with. The lens obsession never stops.

In reply to the original question, the issue with cinema zooms is that most of them are big and heavy. You don't get away with just buying the lens, you then have to add lens support, a sliding baseplate, rods and usually a 6x6 mattebox which is why I would hold out for a used red 17-50.
 
LowDown said:
The lens obsession never stops.
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yep

LowDown said:
In reply to the original question, the issue with cinema zooms is that most of them are big and heavy. You don't get away with just buying the lens, you then have to add lens support, a sliding baseplate, rods and usually a 6x6 mattebox which is why I would hold out for a used red 17-50.
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I've come to this conclusion as well. And also hoping zeiss rehouse glass to make a cp.2 zoom at f2.8
 
J Davis said:
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I've come to this conclusion as well. And also hoping zeiss rehouse glass to make a cp.2 zoom at f2.8
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I think that the zeiss lightweight zoom 2 (lwz2) is intended to be used alongside the CP2's but it's 29K to buy.
 
Cine zooms - as I previously mentioned... advantages & disadvantages. Weight & rigging being primary things to look at. Angie 20-120 is a little under 5kg and Lomo 20-120 about 6kg - heavy for handheld, but if you get a 35mm prime (say lomo prime & zoom) you're good to go with a similar glass 'look' on your lenses.

If you intend to use a zoom only - and do everything in terms of your shooting with the unit (from sticks, steadicam & hand-held etc) the Red 17-50 is probably a good choice.
 
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LowDown said:
I think that the zeiss lightweight zoom 2 (lwz2) is intended to be used alongside the CP2's but it's 29K to buy.
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Apart from buying EL-chepo PL zooms like RED Pro 17-50 and Duclos 11-16, there is nothing left except to go for Angenieux Optimo range (16-42 & 30-80) ... and that is too much for most of FS100 buyers.
As a owner of Nikons 17-35 & 28-70 Zooms i would much rather prefer to be working with Red and Duclos Zooms then Nikons. Just received MTF Nikon to E-Mount adaptor for $380....very well made-solid.
 
Is there any possibility on the modern Nikons to know what F-Stop you´ve actually set ?
I´m using a Tamron 17-50 2.8 (for Nikon) on my GH2 but it´s distracting not to know the exact F-Stop.
 
I am going to avoid these heavy old zooms myself. The camera body is so light, the center of gravity is going to go way forward on the lens. You CAN rig it with extended rods, a zoom support/bidge, etc, people have done it with the AF100, but if I were to choose one zoom it would be the RED 17-50 due to its (relatively) light weight compared to many other zooms.

It's $6000. That's a lot to some, and that's to cheap to others. Probably worth it cuz you can probably use it with the 2nd generation of these cameras coming out next(?) year.
 
cooke 20-100mm = 12lbs
red pro 17-50mm = 3.2lbs
red 18-50mm = 2.3lbs

but everything I have read about the character of the cooke image ... well lucky for me I can't afford it.
 
Suuuueeeet!

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Frank
 
Frank - does this mean that you have an actual production model in your hands? If so, congratulations!

Bill
 
Have always like the look of Cooke lenses when shooting people.
Right now I'm leaning toward a Cooke 18-100 with the Duclos 11-16 on the wide end.
 
Frank/Postmasters link goes to the mtf website so I am guessing he is just pointing to the adapter (am I wrong Frank?).
Adapter is €350 (link) but for that price I am surprised that there is no mention of back focus adjustment with the adapter.

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on the product description page for that adapter it says
(Please note. Using this adaptor will introduce a magnification factor of 1.11X with full 35mm format lenses)
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which doesn't make any sense to me. I'm pretty sure they are not referring to full frame still lenses as this is E to PL mount. Anyone know why they are saying this?
 
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Yea, that didn't make any sense to me either. I think that they are talking about sensor crop factor for those people coming from a 5d. Field of view for any lens should be similar to super 35.
 
LowDown said:
Yea, that didn't make any sense to me either. I think that they are talking about sensor crop factor for those people coming from a 5d. Field of view for any lens should be similar to super 35.
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It's hard to imagine what they mean. It doesn't really make sense that they would be talking about FF35 since PL mount is primarily used for 35mm and 16mm lenses, not full frame stills... My best guess that might work with that number might be that they are comparing lenses designed with an image circle for full 4perf 35mm cine aperture ~31mm compared to e-mount aps-c ~28mm image circle, which is a crop factor of ~1.11x. Seems like an odd statement for them to make since there are so many different formats the lenses can cover, and crop/magnification factors really only are useful at all if you are very specific of what format you are comparing to what other format...
 
I think my camera is coming in today and I have a pl and nikon adapter from ceico7 ready to go, so I'll get the definitive answer soon.
 
LowDown said:
I think my camera is coming in today and I have a pl and nikon adapter from ceico7 ready to go, so I'll get the definitive answer soon.
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you don't need a camera to know a definitive answer. If there is no glass there is no crop- simple as that. Clearly an error that will be corrected as soon as they reread it...
 
timbook2 said:
me too....heavy but a really good deal...oh well...
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Well - someone has put a bid in now. Hope they're prepared for the weight & extras (large mattebox & filters etc) - but, really worth the hassle IMO (went this way with Lomo & Angie zooms). The Ebay Cooke looks nice (not sure about the cleaning marks on the rear lens)... but I don't think my lens budget can stretch to another vintage zoom - hope it goes to a good home!
 
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