Steadicam for Sony EX1 (Sanda100)

david_p said:
hi fredo,

ive never seen or heard of this unit. it does looks sturdy. doesnt look cheap though. i guess youd have to email them for a price.

did you check out some of the reviews on the Flycam 6000? what did you think?

is the stabilizer that you have now not to your liking? could you elaborate on what is missing from the performance of it. are you trying to solve the fatigue aspects of your shooting or do you also want to improve your shooting and are thinking that the full body rig is the answer?

david
www.davidprobst.com
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The Flycam looks promising with some alterations/modifications to it...but is it worth it?

Thats kinda where Im struggling, Im not sure if the Sanda100 is gonna be THE BEST option I have for what I'm using it for...

Im really just trying to get rid of the fatigue aspect of using it but it sounds like it comes with the package of non body rig systems.

I mean buying a whole new set up isnt ideal - but if it were WORTH it then I might consider it - but maybe just making something I can sit the Sanda100 on while skiing down to the terrain park or to my location might be the best solution, since even a full body rig is gonna require two hands.

What kind of hand gyro systems were you talking about???? Ive never seen/heard of one.

Do you think something like this would work? (Just the arm support) Not gonna buy the set up...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Flycam-3000-Sta...L?hash=item5d2656437f&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177

Or what about this...using it NOT as a shoulder mount but as a hand held stabilizer thing....used this a few years ago with a Canon GL2 and it worked (not as nearly as good as the Sanda100 - but then again not as heavy) but it did get the shoots and one could tell the difference....but do you think it will be to heavy with the EX1.....because if so - then were back to square one! haha. Ugh. Why does film making have to be so cool - and yet so complicated!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shoulder-suppor...dd26c4c8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_15437wt_1167
 
the problem i see with this...http://cgi.ebay.com/Shoulder-support...t_15437wt_1167 is that your body needs to be *aiming* in the a forwared direction since it will only shoot straight in front of you, aslo if you want to get a waist level shot its not going to work.

do you much of a tendancy to shoot in any degree of low mode?

this is a rig that i use although i hardly ever use it in low mode. it great for over the shoulder stuff though. i put my varizoom controller on the right grip. flexpod is the key to this unit. can shoot all day with no fatigue. its not a substitute for a steadicam though. i dont really like to walk with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1blA8xC4Ts
go to the middle of the video and youll see it set up for low mode. its a little bit smoother and just holding the raw camera handle so there would be some smoothing of the shot. still a far cry from a truly stabilized shot but as "Lonnie" pointed out...?

{{{EDIT}}} on the DVTec MultiRig...notice the where the *pod* attaches to the bottom of the camera platfor. its a very stiff "spring" loaded attachement. very nice, this is the big "key" to this rig.

if your looking for that beautifull creamy steadicam type of shot, then i can appreciate where your at.

here would be a very cheap option.
http://glidecam.com/product-body-pod.php
if you were going to walk with this then i would obviously see in the shot each step taken...but...if your just cruising down a slope? at least with this you have a rig to set it comfortably in to give your arm a break. if going down the slope you could still opt to take it off and go free hand.

the EX1 is heavy even before you put extras on it. i cant imagine handling that without some real support.

david
www.davidprobst.com
 
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david_p said:
the problem i see with this...http://cgi.ebay.com/Shoulder-support...t_15437wt_1167 is that your body needs to be *aiming* in the a forwared direction since it will only shoot straight in front of you, aslo if you want to get a waist level shot its not going to work.

do you much of a tendancy to shoot in any degree of low mode?

this is a rig that i use although i hardly ever use it in low mode. it great for over the shoulder stuff though. i put my varizoom controller on the right grip. flexpod is the key to this unit. can shoot all day with no fatigue. its not a substitute for a steadicam though. i dont really like to walk with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1blA8xC4Ts
go to the middle of the video and youll see it set up for low mode. its a little bit smoother and just holding the raw camera handle so there would be some smoothing of the shot. still a far cry from a truly stabilized shot but as "Lonnie" pointed out...?

{{{EDIT}}} on the DVTec MultiRig...notice the where the *pod* attaches to the bottom of the camera platfor. its a very stiff "spring" loaded attachement. very nice, this is the big "key" to this rig.

if your looking for that beautifull creamy steadicam type of shot, then i can appreciate where your at.

here would be a very cheap option.
http://glidecam.com/product-body-pod.php
if you were going to walk with this then i would obviously see in the shot each step taken...but...if your just cruising down a slope? at least with this you have a rig to set it comfortably in to give your arm a break. if going down the slope you could still opt to take it off and go free hand.

the EX1 is heavy even before you put extras on it. i cant imagine handling that without some real support.

david
www.davidprobst.com
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Low mode isnt something I do very often but I do do it....but not necessary. I'll get a low mode system from Sanda100 later this year....

But that Glidecam system thing is PERFECT! Nailed it right on the head! I didnt know they made that! Do you think it'll work with the sanda100????

That would be AWSOME!
 
i just looked at your sanda100 again. making them work together doesnt look simple. the handle on a glidecam stableizer is "hollow". any glidecam support is a "male" pole that allows the hollow handle slide down on top of the support rod. (sounds like a cheap porno script...haha!)

it looks like your sanda's handle is welded onto the top pole...yes or no? screwed in not welded?

if you could get a hollow pipe/handle attached via clamp or modified by welding onto your sanda, then you might have something that could work. do you think? anyone else here?

david
www.davidprobst.com
 
david_p said:
i just looked at your sanda100 again. making them work together doesnt look simple. the handle on a glidecam stableizer is "hollow". any glidecam support is a "male" pole that allows the hollow handle slide down on top of the support rod. (sounds like a cheap porno script...haha!)

it looks like your sanda's handle is welded onto the top pole...yes or no? screwed in not welded?

if you could get a hollow pipe/handle attached via clamp or modified by welding onto your sanda, then you might have something that could work. do you think? anyone else here?

david
www.davidprobst.com
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Agreed on the cheap porno script - but after laughing and looking at the Sanda100 it is INDEED "hollow" - On the Sanda100 website they sell a tripod to mount the camera on and stabilize it....50 euros (if you were wondering ha) but its just a tripod with a little male rod at the end (also sounds like a porno ha)

The Handle of the Sanda100 is not welded on - but allen wrenched on. And the "back weight" or the longer rod after the handle is screwed on - so you can take it off or on.

That being said.....you think it would work??

I might just buy it from B&H and if it fails - well just return it?
 
One word/s.

Figrig.

Last time i checked thats what most skiiers use to shoot followcam with small cameras.

As both a snow filmer and a Steadicam Pilot owner, i think your biggest issue with using a steadicam for followcam would be the fact that even when not going all that fast, the size and weight of a little rig like a glidecam or steadicam pilot would lead you to have problems with wind and keeping the sled vertical when riding/skiing.
 
Joe Lawry said:
One word/s.

Figrig.

Last time i checked thats what most skiiers use to shoot followcam with small cameras.

As both a snow filmer and a Steadicam Pilot owner, i think your biggest issue with using a steadicam for followcam would be the fact that even when not going all that fast, the size and weight of a little rig like a glidecam or steadicam pilot would lead you to have problems with wind and keeping the sled vertical when riding/skiing.
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Figrigs work great....for small cameras. There's NO way someone could hold a figrig for more and a few min with a Sony EX1. Ive seen them all over Breckenridge and Keystone - but they have small camcorders on them. I WONT be skiing fast - Ill keep saying that haha - I mainly need it for what would "look" like a dolly set up......I HAVE a dolly set up - but the guys I follow dont like to sit on one jump for more than a few min...meaning I have to move with them. I need something to support the Sanda100 while Im not really using it. Skiing down to the jump/jib they are about to hit and then "use" the Sanda100 and then move on again. If that makes any sense. But yes, the figrig was an idea....but the EX1 is WAY to heavy to hold out in front of you for more than 2 min.

Unless your Arnold. In which case.... a) i wanna meet you. and b) i want you to shoot for me....and c) put you in my movie! HAHAH. All fun.

Thanks for the post though! Glad Im not going the pilot route! I think the wind would just render the sled useless.
 
Hoodman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B27_AEjPQQ

i was on the set of a music video shooting the "making of" and the DP used one of these hooked to an Arri 35mm film camera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7LHTGT46c&feature=related
at times the DP would hold it up high and other time down to his chest. it looked pretty effortless for him considering how heavy the rig was.

*******this might be the best solution so far. dont know the price of this but it looks like it could be reasonable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcXSQ_GKdzA&feature=related

david
www.davidprobst.com

{{EDIT}} WEBSITE: http://www.atlascamerasupport.com/
price seems to start at about $300.00.
 
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Fredo Jones said:
Skiing down to the jump/jib they are about to hit and then "use" the Sanda100 and then move on again. If that makes any sense.
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Makes sense.. but i think it sounds like your almost trying to make things too complicated.

If you want to constantly following your subject.. i'd get a wide angle or fish eye and just do normal old follow cam.

If no one wants to wait around and hit 1 run or obstacle while your using a dolly then you aren't going to end up getting the banger shots. And neither are they for their video parts.

Filming snow is like filming drama. If you want the shots, it takes time, but im sure you know this.

Hope you find a solution.
 
Joe Lawry said:
Makes sense.. but i think it sounds like your almost trying to make things too complicated.

If you want to constantly following your subject.. i'd get a wide angle or fish eye and just do normal old follow cam.

If no one wants to wait around and hit 1 run or obstacle while your using a dolly then you aren't going to end up getting the banger shots. And neither are they for their video parts.

Filming snow is like filming drama. If you want the shots, it takes time, but im sure you know this.

Hope you find a solution.
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Backcountry - yes.

Setting up and hitting a kicker all day is something we do...where I can set up the crane and dolly and not feel rushed.

But in the park - on just park days - its more of just have fun and mess around. Kinda practice what they've been throwing back country. I just dont like the look of having steady shots in the backcountry and then bouncy shots in the parks. I dont tend to use a lot of footage from the parks - but every once in a while they throw something that is indeed a highlight and makes the movie....

So yeah....kinda making it harder than it needs to be - but in the long run - the video would run....and look much better if there were more consistency in the filming.

I think I'm going to get the Body vest thing from B&H. I'll post the footage once I get it....along with a tutorial using the Sony EX1 and the Sanda100 - Thanks guys!
 
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