Star Wars III

I had an awful lot of fun with Episode 3 - I found it really held the "magic" that so many people feel was lost. I do agree, that the original trilogy has a much more human element to it - it's a lot more easily relatable, and it had a much higher sense of swashbuckling fun. Episode 3 is definitely in this tone.

What I also found interesting was how it changed my opinion of Episodes 1 and 2. While on thier own, I agree they have less dramatic thrust, have a slower pace, and seem far too "sugar coated" for the more traditional Star Wars universe, in contrast with the downfall we see in Episode 3, they feel much more justified. We see this world turn from a boring, pastel atmosphere to a dark and much more classically "Star Wars" universe. I didn't find any moments of cheese or any bad dialogue any worse than in the original Star Wars movies - and I loved it all for that same reason. I felt attached to all of the characters, and cared about their relationships with each other. Some of the best "Star Wars" performances are in this movie.

All in all, a fantastic picture - it makes Star Wars human again.
 
I just found out recently that Harrison wanted Han to die in Empire. Glad he didn't or else we would never have had "I thought you were blind!" "It's alright, trust me." Classic

Joe
 
John_Hudson said:
No worries Joe.

I was speaking for myself only; as always.

And you are correct; where the hades is Han?
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In the original script, a 10 year old Han is on Kashyyk in a small role, which eventually got cut out by shooting time.
 
I just came back of cinema and poor myself i had drops in my eyes... of pity. I´m not upset, just sad i waited twenty years to know (well i already knew, but better...) how c3po And R2 where memory-washed, or why Obi fought with anakin. or how Leia finished with Organa surname...

So many things to tell in so little time, i know, but the worst wasn´t this. It´s all around Anakin...


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and his week justification to run to the Dark Side. Palpatine-- Kill him, he stoled my Kellog´s! Mace--- No, he´s the bad guy, don´t hear him...! Then kneel down in front of him and accept everything, and get the name like that. In three minutes.

I mean, anaking probably wanted to kill Mace since Ep. 1, But he has been a Jedi for how? Twenty years? and can go there in the same day and kill children without thinking? Or friends? No hesitation or doubt (ok there was, but like seconds)? I was trying to justify myself saying Palpatine brainwashed him, but it looks he didn´t. And after everything still feel love for Padme. He´s not bad because he wants power; then it would justify everthing else, just to save his wife meaning love is bad (wrong move in my opinion). I don´t eat it. Anakin Is the weakest link... ( i lked better Ani being jealous of Obi about Padme´s love... Far better reason to get upset.)

And what about clone troopers? At least explain they have a memory order inside them (they are clones, they could have it), but they looked like they did cos they wanted. Hey, take your lightsaber, friend! snap! Hey, use those cannons to bring him down...

I think acting was OK, cos they did what they could with awful dialogs (Portman getting the news from Ewan, she did what she could to say "i don´t believe you" and sit and cry, it just remind me Spanish dramas, awful stuff.).

Then nearly all the situations where distributed like theater. Quiet and still till somebody starts to speak, usually without moving.

I could go longer but i will continue grieving my lost dream, and recalling what i thought it was going to be, adding a couple of things and characters i liked and make my own story, much much better in my opinion. :cry:

Sorry for my rant.

Best shots, last ones... Took my breath away!
 
saw midnight show last night.

EDIT: Spoilers! sry lol

I didn't like it. And i think the ppl who DID like it need to give the ppl who didnt more credit. I had little expectations and am not a HUGE fan of the originals. I simply see good movies or bad movies.

and personally, i really didnt think this was a good movie. Everyone who said the acting is better than the first 2 i couldnt DISagree more, im not nure what u see that i dont. I did appreciate that this one was easier to follow and understand that the first two (all the politcal intrigue and such) but just because i understood it doesnt mean is was logical or made sense.

the droid leader coughing i had a hard time getting over, yes apparently hes "living" with organs and such but i still dont understand why you would hear coughing from his electronic voice mechanism. Also why the hell would he be armored EXCEPT for the slot that exposes his heart? no sense.

every seen where Jedi masters get gun down by 3-6 clones? What? you might say they didnt expect it, but the had plenty of time to show realization on their faces, and besides that They're JEDI! they;re supposed to sense these things! no sense

yoda fleeing after palpatine and says "i have failed, i must go into exile" wow thats a cheapest way to explain why yoda goes to dagobah as opposed to hooking up with obiwon or forming a resistence.

And finally (at least that i wish to discuss here) Anakin dreams of padmi's death, ok sounds Jedi-ish, i believe he might see the future, and indeed she dies, but for no reason! the only thing i can think to explain her "no will to live" is her loss of Anakin, but I dont buy that as enoughfor this strong willed queen and leader to wish her 2 children motherless.

I didnt like the last seen where obiwon seems to simply drop of a baby to these ppl who didn't appear to know he was coming, dont say anything, and then go into a pose by the twin suns. Poetic? sure. but it takes you right outa the movie (at least me)

Most of the acting was embarrassing, particularly padmi, there wasn't a single scene i can think of where i didn't heard ppl luaghing at her, and frankly rightly so. Its amazing to me that as soon as you put someone as aclaimed as Natalie portman into a start wars movie, they can't act (sounds like it must be Lucas). And i still have no idea of the appeal of christenson, I dont buy anything Anakin does. And the bit where palpatine tells Vader about padmis death was sooooo over the top i couldnt help but chuckle myself.

I was also bugged that where should the final jedi battle take place? A volcanic planet! where else?!?

Ok, sry, I didnt think it was a complete waste, and its the best of the trilogy, but for all the pre release buzz that said it rose above the previous two, i dont agree, it fits into that mediocre trilogy perfectly. I just feel bad that considering how "big" the star wars thing is, this was the last one, the nail in the coffin, I just wish they could have gone out on a better note. :/
 
I think if you've read this far then you aren’t bothered by spoilers.

I enjoyed the movie. I felt it was much better then the first two. I think part of the reason was that I was emotionally engaged this time. Wondering how the transformation was going to take place. Plus, I think the first scene just really got me. That war going on right after the intro rolls was amazing! It had such a classic Star Wars feel to it.

I only have three complaints.

1) Anakin's turn to the dark side was a little hard to believe. Maybe I'm just a megalomaniac, but I really think more persuasion should have been used, i.e. temptation for governmental power. I mean, it was really sweet/beautiful that Anakin just went bad because he wanted to save his woman, but I think it should've been made more clear that by joining the dark side Anakin would have control of the galaxy (later on he talks about that, and maybe Lucas assumes we would presume that, but I didn't get that - it seemed to me that Anakin only turned evil because he wanted to save his wife). We all know that Anakin wanted power, but it didn't seem to be dangled enough. Tempt anyone enough with power and it would be hard to deny it.

2) When Obi Wan learns that Anakin killed all the younglings (aka went to the dark side) I really think he should have been more moved (a watery eye or something would’ve been nice). Either it was bad acting or his direction was that a Jedi isn't supposed to be emotional, but come on - if you had spent a whole bunch of years "rearing" a child like a son I think it would rip your heart out to know he had abandoned humanity and all that you believe in.

3) This one is small. At the end when Darth Vader breaks free from his bed I think he shouldn't have screamed "NOOOOOOO". (On a side note, I agree with the comment that Palpatine's delivery of "You killed your wife" was a little weak). Unfortunetly, James Eril Jones just doesn't sound torn up. I think it would've looked so much more powerful if he would have been silent (but still Force-broke stuff, of course), maybe even have him drop to his knees. Seriously, you just lost your wife; don't you think you would be overcome with emotion?

Anyway, that's my two cents. Again, overall, I LOVED IT!!!! I'm not sure if I would put it above the original three, but like mentioned previously, this one had some of the magic the original had.

Oh, and, yeah, I agree with the post that the scene with Anakin "dying" will not be forgotten anytime soon. Amazing!

-Brian
 
I just don't get it. So far, the story of Anakin Skywalker has been about an asshole kid and an asshole young adult. Except for my love for the original series and the characters we all cared about and how this film ties them together, there is no appeal to see Anakin do anything else, except turn into Darth Vader. Of course I'll drop $8 and see the movie, but that will not change the fact that George Lucas created a character that no one really cares about, Anakin.
 
Ya either hate it or love it! Then agian it don't matter what the hell any of us say because GL is making his freakin money!

George Lucas needs to get laid...
 
Yeah, Put some sentence to him to don´t get near a blue screen by a mile (specially with next Indiana! lucky he would have to let Spielberg work)!

And obligate him to get inside acting lessons for the sake of future projects and actors. He should learn that the happy thing and fun of having real actors is the pleasure of improvisation and not follow storyboards and 3D sets by heart. And probably they will fix his dialogs...

I really believe actors did what they could with what they had. Surely Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor could do much more... And i dind´t totally dislike at all Hayden in this one, obviouly he does what the Master says, but his looks were totally correct for me.

Bluespider, i agree, he should leave writing and directing to other people hungry to make a great work: he looked bored on set.
 
this movie was fantastic. the only thing that took me out of the movie was people who laughed at the bad dialogue, they even laughed when Anakin turns to Vader. sheesh.

otherwise this movie had great moments, inspiring moments and just feels like a solid piece that ties everything up.

it moved a bit too quickly and i dont know if it was Ben Burtt, but someone was going wild with the wipe transitions. but you can only pull those off in starwars.. venetian blinds???
 
Was it just me or did Samuel Jackson seems to be a little off? It's like George had a leash on him or something so Sam wouldn't cry out "Yes, the Sith deserve to die and I hope they burn in Hell!!!" or something to that degree.

The beginning just didn't click with me, it was slow and the actors seemed to be moaning out their lines like they were doing the most boring job in the world. The best part about the beginning was R2-D2 kicking arse, I loved that.

I didn't get General Grievous coughing, in the cartoon he was fine and healthy. Was he poisoned or something? Judging from the cartoon he should have put up a much better fight with Obi-wan as he slayed two Jedi Knights, a Jedi Master, and a Jedi Padawan with ease at the end of Clone Wars season 2.

The guy playing Palpatine was really over the top at most points. Why was he speaking like a frog most of the time? His lip movements were really comical and this really showed when he was being assaulted by Mace Windu before Anakin showed up. Palpatine was also laughing a lot even when his arse was getting kicked by Yoda, what the heck?

I liked the wookie scenes but they seemed like there was a lot more on the cutting room floor for the advertisements to be hyping wookies in this movie so much. Also, how old is Chewbacca supposed to be?

I didn't like the clones automatically betraying the Jedi. How long ago did Palpatine institue plan number 66? Cody seemed to be friends with Obi-wan, so why automatically give in and give the order to fire the cannon at him?

Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensan or whatever his name is didn't have the best acting, they both actually were worse than in the second movie! But yeah, funky lines and maybe absent director at times? Darth Vader's Frankenstein steps at the end with the lame "No-o-o-o-o-o!!!" yet again, moaned out, wasn't my cup of tea. Also, was that speech entirely James Earl Jones or did they voice effect Hayden's voice to match? It seemed like it in parts. I also agree with the comment about Obi-Wan's reaction to seeing Anakin killing everyone on the security camera, that could have been done better. Yoda's voice was also really off this time around, what happened? Did they get someone new? He was squeaky at points and his voice cracked sometimes! Almost all the actors seemed to be groaning out their lines trying to finish the movie in a hurry, there wasn't much real drama that you could take seriously except for Obi-Wan and Anakin's fight at the end which was really well done and acted.

The politcal symbolism was also really apparent whether George meant for it to come out like that or not. The new Galactic Empire represents the unification of the US and the UN as it is now (Bush being Palpatine) and General Grievous and the droids representing Russia (thanks to Grievous's accent and his illness, because Russia has been dying from the inside out) and the separatists representing the Middle East and Asia, being deceived with the promise for Peace and instead getting a lightsaber through the face.

Just a little tidbit, did you guys notice how some of the Sith names are really obvious? Look at this:

Darth Sidious= Sedistic
Darth Maul= Maul
Darth Plagus= Plague (Us)
Darth Grievous= Grieve (Us)

Then there's the funky ones:

Darth Vader= Vindicate? Violate?
Darth Dooku= Destroy? Do Kill? Decoy?

I liked the movie overall because it was cool and it was freaking Star Wars for crying out loud! The originals weren't problem free, nobody liked the Ewoks apparently. I liked the seperate Ewok movies when I was a kid but I didn't like them in Return of the Jedi. But I think this fit in with the other two, I just wish they had done two things:

1. Show Liam Neison one more time, which they should have done at the end by maybe having Obi-wan apologizing to Qui-Gon for failing him with Anakin then Qui-Gon could say something like "No, you haven't failed me, my friend. Anakin is the chosen one, he will return to us. But to do that, he needs the love that he has lost. *Looks at Luke and his relatives* The secret is there my Padawan ::Then show the Uncle and Aunt standing on the hilltop looking at the twin suns set to Star Wars Jedi Luke score::" That would have been better I think.

2. Kill Jar Jar Binks!!!! Darnit!!! He was the one that gave Palpatine all the power over the Senate since nobody was there to tell him better! By cinematic rules he should have paid for his crime! Arrrgh!!!
 
let me be a geek and fix some of those names...

Dooku's sith name is Darth Tyranus.

Grievous is not a Sith Lord... i could be wrong on that because i dont watch the cartoons. but i hear they did sorta power down the supposed JEDI KILLER.
 
Jack_Felis said:
I didn't get General Grievous coughing, in the cartoon he was fine and healthy. Was he poisoned or something? Judging from the cartoon he should have put up a much better fight with Obi-wan as he slayed two Jedi Knights, a Jedi Master, and a Jedi Padawan with ease at the end of Clone Wars season 2.
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You don't remember Mace crushing Grievous's iron lung protection under his ribs?

Jack_Felis said:
I liked the wookie scenes but they seemed like there was a lot more on the cutting room floor for the advertisements to be hyping wookies in this movie so much. Also, how old is Chewbacca supposed to be?
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It will end up in the DVD deleted scenes(along with Mon Mothma's cut scenes). Not sure about Chewie's age.

Jack_Felis said:
I didn't like the clones automatically betraying the Jedi. How long ago did Palpatine institue plan number 66? Cody seemed to be friends with Obi-wan, so why automatically give in and give the order to fire the cannon at him?
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The Kaminoans "dumbed" them down so that all they really understand basic positive emotion, combat, and obedience to the commander in chief: Palaptine.


Jack_Felis said:
The politcal symbolism was also really apparent whether George meant for it to come out like that or not. The new Galactic Empire represents the unification of the US and the UN as it is now (Bush being Palpatine) and General Grievous and the droids representing Russia (thanks to Grievous's accent and his illness, because Russia has been dying from the inside out) and the separatists representing the Middle East and Asia, being deceived with the promise for Peace and instead getting a lightsaber through the face.
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This will always be a debate in itself, but I have to disagree. Bush may be a lot of things, but a badass control of the world he is not, and he'll be gone in a couple of years. This argument actually gives Bush way more kudos than he actually deserves. Lucas spoke about this during the original trilogy and in the Episode 2 commentary that the empire was based on a combo of Napoleon, old China(keyword being "emperor") and of Hitler and Germany.

Jack_Felis said:
Darth Dooku= Destroy? Do Kill? Decoy?
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The actual translation for Dooku is japanese for poison.

Jack_Felis said:
1. Show Liam Neison one more time, which they should have done at the end by maybe having Obi-wan apologizing to Qui-Gon for failing him with Anakin then Qui-Gon could say something like "No, you haven't failed me, my friend. Anakin is the chosen one, he will return to us. But to do that, he needs the love that he has lost. *Looks at Luke and his relatives* The secret is there my Padawan ::Then show the Uncle and Aunt standing on the hilltop looking at the twin suns set to Star Wars Jedi Luke score::" That would have been better I think.
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This is a totally good idea. I also felt Anakin should have reiterated that "Anakin Skywalker is a dead!! I am Darth Vader, new the new lord of the sith. . .FOREVER!!!" before getting his other arm and legs chopped off, of course.

Jack_Felis said:
2. Kill Jar Jar Binks!!!! Darnit!!! He was the one that gave Palpatine all the power over the Senate since nobody was there to tell him better! By cinematic rules he should have paid for his crime! Arrrgh!!!
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Jar Jar just sucked in general. He TOTALLY was a separatist and a Tusken rolled up into one, and Anakin should've read him the riot act!!!
 
sugahsean469 said:
In the original script, a 10 year old Han is on Kashyyk in a small role, which eventually got cut out by shooting time.
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one of the written stories about Han Solo goes something like this... at a young age he joined the Imperial Academy- gets into some trouble- frees a captured wookie named chewbacca, chewbacca gives a wookie life-debt to Han, gets thrown out of the academy- and so on and so forth. so there would be no need for Han to meet Chewbacca at a young age. ...
this is all written down and Lucas approves- why would anything be out of place?
 
I'll stay away from the political talks, but I will say that the story was written long ago (maybe not the dialogue, but the jist of it) and it was based on Nixon (Watergate bugging, etc.). My point is that Lucas hasn't been too outspoken in the previous prequels, and I equate him coming public about this as sort of an ex post facto publicity stunt. Granted it might resemble what he thinks is happening, but the story, the characters, and the battles were all worked out long ago when Lucas created the original trilogy (for the most part anyway). This is Lucas's last Star Wars movie, and as such, he has decided to make the most of it (publicly).

I could be wrong of course...

I did like the movie, but it does not carry the same weight as the originals IMHO. Better than Ep 1 and 2, most definitely, but some SW fans are saying it might be he 2nd best after Empire---blasphemy!
 
Jack_Felis said:
The guy playing Palpatine was really over the top at most points. Why was he speaking like a frog most of the time? His lip movements were really comical and this really showed when he was being assaulted by Mace Windu before Anakin showed up. Palpatine was also laughing a lot even when his arse was getting kicked by Yoda, what the heck?
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Uh, you've seen "Return of the Jedi" right? Because he acted exactly the same in Jedi. The Emperor is definately my favorite character at this point. Ever since he said, "wipe them out...all of them" in the Episode I trailor, he's been my favorite. Total badass. Don't get me wrong, I didn't really like Episode I much, I'm just saying, the trailor was awesome and so is the Emperor. Peace.
 
Sorry about the Dooku thing, I totally forgot Tyrannus.

Darth Tyrannus= Tyranny

Silly me, but I'm not 100% Star Wars nut so I hope I can get away with that ^_^. I guess Vader is the only one that's weirdly-named as far as the movie Siths go. Also, I guess Grievous doesn't count then, but he still rocks with the lightsabers and he was trained by Dooku so I just figured, yet again not 100% Star Wars nut. Also, I didn't know Mace Windu crushed his lung apparatus, when did that happen? Also, my mistake, Grievous killed all those Jedi I mentioned at the end of season 1, not 2. I haven't seen all of season 2.

Constantine, what I meant was why did Palpatine talk like that before he was scarred? I figure he would talk that way when he was scarred but not before hand. I guess he's just weird or something, lol! Also, if his force lightning was shocking the heck out of his head, why didn't he just stop? ROFL! xD
 
palpatine's froggy voice was his evil sith side, and his normal voice was his good senator side. his mouth movement was crazy, though.

seems like a lot of the problems were a lack of emotion. i don't know if this is an acting fault or directing fault, probably both. stuff just seemed to happen without the characters thinking about it.

i too was disappointed with the lack of wookie footage.
 
supposedly the darkside corrupts all. including eventually disfiguring the body and probably the voice as well just so it seems right with his evil self. you can't possibly ask for logic in that.

the disfigurement takes a while, but Senator Palpatine has been cloning himself (EXPANDED UNIVERSE)and just transferring his mind(through the force I think)
his body WOULD accelerate because it is a fragile clone. (my speculation)

Darth Maul suffers the same change- instead he went ahead and tattooed himself. Maul's Race- ZABRAK is skin colored- he also had red eyes- Anakin got red eyes.
 
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