SRW-9000 vs F23 Vs F35 Vs F65 body size

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Jim_Beam

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Can anyone here shed some light on this for me?

I am interested to know about the size of the body without top handles etc and without lens/battery setup of the SRW-9000 in comparison to the F23/F35/F65.

As far as i have understood it, the F23/F35 are identical bodies (different mounts/sensors).

It looks that the F65 is bigger than the F35 - but not sure about that since i have neither camera (yet)

I am wondering how big a size difference there is between these bodies for reasons of various types of accessories fitting between cameras - for example the movi gimble setup.

Thanks
 
F23/F35 are identical. I've never had them alongside each other, but the F35 and F65 are very comparable in size (albeit the F65 is a bit larger with the SR recorder on the back, than the F35 is with an IF box and an Odyssey7Q handling recording duties.

I've never seen the SRW9000 in person, from photos it looks longer and narrower than the F35, from the specs, the body weighs 7kg, so is probably fairly comparable to a barebones F35 for overall weight.
 
Thanks Grug.

I am late to this party. I wish I had of been active here when you sold your F35 setup - I would have bought it for sure. I dont suppose whoever bought it wants to sell it? Highly doubtful of course. But dammm, i wish i had of got in on that one.

From a 4 day deep dive I have done into these cameras it seemed that the F23/F35 were identical - you have confirmed that, so thanks for that. I know the F65 is a fair bit "fatter" than the F35. The SRW 9000 PL is an intriguing camera - as far as I understand it, it appears to use the same sensor setup as the F35 - is that right? I know the SRW9000 records to TAPE. But with the right add in board it does then have 3G SDI output. Would those SDI outputs allow the same type of Odyssey 7Q hookup as per the F35 setup ?
 
Jim_Beam said:
Thanks Grug.

I am late to this party. I wish I had of been active here when you sold your F35 setup - I would have bought it for sure. I dont suppose whoever bought it wants to sell it? Highly doubtful of course. But dammm, i wish i had of got in on that one.

From a 4 day deep dive I have done into these cameras it seemed that the F23/F35 were identical - you have confirmed that, so thanks for that. I know the F65 is a fair bit "fatter" than the F35. The SRW 9000 PL is an intriguing camera - as far as I understand it, it appears to use the same sensor setup as the F35 - is that right? I know the SRW9000 records to TAPE. But with the right add in board it does then have 3G SDI output. Would those SDI outputs allow the same type of Odyssey 7Q hookup as per the F35 setup ?
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Hey Jim, I looked into the SRW9000PL when I picked up my F35, and there's a couple of important things to look out for - namely the fact that there are (if memory serves me right) three separate upgrade board for the camera, and you basically need all of them (or maybe it's just two) in order to get the full F35 functionality from the SRW9000.

There's a board that gives you 4:4:4, and maybe one that gives you 3G-SDI (I'm hazy on that) either the camera comes with it and you need to get the upgrade boards to send the full 10-bit 4:4:4 signal out of the 3G-SDI, or you might also have to have a 3G-SDI board for that to work.

The great thing about having 3G-SDI, is obviously that you're no longer limited to using a dual-link recorder like the Odyssey7Q to get 4:4:4 and 50fps out of the camera.

From memory though, I think the SRW9000 tops out at 10-bit output, and can't give you the full 12-bit image you get from the F35.

Basically I came to the conclusion that the complications of the SRW (and the difficulties of confirming the precise upgrade boards installed on each) weren't worth the trouble compared to just pairing an F35 with an Odyssey.
 
Hi Grug,

Yep I hear you on that. I have located some cams that have ALL the add in boards installed - so all good on that front. They are;

- HKSR-9001 HD-SDI expansion board adds dual link outputs and aux input port, which provides connectivity to an external audio multiplexing device
- HKSR-9002 picture cache board enables the capture and recording with variable frame speed from 1p to 50p frames per second
- HKSR-9003 RGB 4:4:4 processing board offers full bandwidth digital 4:4:4 RGB processing

The main point of the SRW9000 PL is that it is a bit smaller and better suited to a bit more mobility compared to the F35 - at least thats my understanding of it all at this point. There is also an SR R1 recorder on offer. Is that of any use these days or is the O7Q the best bet nowadays ?

I believe that 10 Bit 4:4:4 50P is as far as it can go though. But then there is the F35 for that when needed.

Still keeping an eye out for an F35. Yours would have been so perfect for me. Oh well......

If anyone has an F35 for sale, i'm looking. I want a low hours, clean condition, everything working no issues cam. Is this still possible to find these days?
 
I am a few days away from having a 9000PL, it is currently delayed in customs. I also owned and used a F35 with a oddysey and srw-1, so I can let you know how it compares when it arrives.
 
F35 (PL/Nikon Mount) (the nikon mount isn't great but it works fine) Around 1400 hours on sensor, interface box (with V-lock Plate wired internally) Viewfinder (HDVFC30WR)
Top and Side handle, riser plate, 15mm Studio (100m apart) arri base plate (but no dovetail), and a big metal road case.

Located in Melbourne Australia.
 
Form factor and 3G SDI are part of it. I am also wanting to use it with tape to have speed ramping etc... so it is much smaller, lighter and far less power hungry than the F35 with the SRW-1. I was also able to pick it up with a viewfinder for a very similar price to a F35, most of what I found out there was considerably more expensive though. Overall, since I want to use tape too, it was better in many ways than the F35 - minus the lack of 12bit which is a shame.

Got the camera home yesterday, going to play around with it tonight.
 
Yes agree, shame about the lack of 12 bit.

I am considering this cam. Will be following your progress keenly.
 
I have also looked at the SRW-9000PL before I bought a F35. Extensively so.

My conclusion was that unless you want to shoot to tape it doesn‘t make sense over a F35. Because although it is more compact than a F35+SRW1, nobody really uses tape with a F35 these days. And the 9000PL is considerably larger and heavier than a F35 with a digital recorder.

And if you want to use the camera as a production camera, the F35 is compatible with all the industry standard cine gear as well as workflow. The 9000PL is a camcorder. But being a hybrid it‘s neither really compatible with cine gear or entirely compatible with broadcast gear.

The 9000PL makes more sense as a B camera to the F35 in my opinion.

The image should be identical, all things being equal.

The F65 is just a little bigger than the F35, as already mentioned.
 
You really WANT to use tape? So you have a deck as well? I question how long tape stock will still be available from Sony.
 
Want is probably the wrong word but I don't mind using tape, it is one of the only ways to use the select fps and ramping. Supply is a concern but I have a fairly large stock pile of tape and boxes of brand new tapes can be picked up dirt cheap if you keep an eye out for them. I have a srw-1 that I got with my F35 that I will be using as a deck. Not neccessary anyway since you can capture straight from the camera, but this way will reduce the use of the drums.

Also I wanted the camera to be more portable and compatible with shouldering which it is compared to the F35. It is similar height, narrower, but longer and heavier than the F35 alone. Not as much when you put the IF Box on the back, though. It is also compatible with a much larger variety of external recorders, they made a v-mount plate for the right side of the camera. If I can track down one of those I might have a nice way of attaching one.

Another interseting aspect of it I hope to test out at some point is record triggering. The 9000 can send record trigger signals over the sdi and will do so even with no tape in the camera. Even without tape it appears to have settings to allow for quite operation and tally lights to be illuminated as well. It is unkown to me now if any recorders will be able to work with those signals, the manual states it was designed for use with the srw-1.

I do tend to agree that it makes less sense if you are not planing on using tape.

Size Comparison
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I own three F23 cameras. Sorry for not being active on the forum lately. I haven't had much use for them on the client jobs I've had this year. Open to potential sales.
 
So far I am liking the 9000pl, much better for shouldering. My current camera has ancient firmware which I am going to attempt to update as to the most current one but will need to contact sony for some intermediate updates. Hopefully I can get a hold of a sdi recorder and test out the triggering in the near future. One this is clear, it is a newer camera and the features minus 12 bit are superior. It is just a question of 12 bit and additional size with the built in deck for deciding between it and a F35. Also price, I got mine for a little less F35 while every other offer I found was several thousand more.
 
dhessel said:
So far I am liking the 9000pl, much better for shouldering. My current camera has ancient firmware which I am going to attempt to update as to the most current one but will need to contact sony for some intermediate updates. Hopefully I can get a hold of a sdi recorder and test out the triggering in the near future. One this is clear, it is a newer camera and the features minus 12 bit are superior. It is just a question of 12 bit and additional size with the built in deck for deciding between it and a F35. Also price, I got mine for a little less F35 while every other offer I found was several thousand more.
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Hi dhessel,

Did you ever try the 9000PL with an external recorder and whether it triggered it via SDI with record and tally lights.... etc...

Thanks for sharing your impressions on the 9000PL
 
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