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amiganr1

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i want to use squeeze more but i have a few questions.

is there any way to see it normally in the camera like the letterbox?
it is disturbing to shot with a stretched display.

also, i use avid. do i have to do something to capture in a special way?

i read that squeeze is for widescreen only but i will use tv mainly.
so should i use squeeze or letterbox?

thanks in advance.
 
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[quote author=amiganr1 link=board=Events;num=1090664802;start=0#0 date=07/24/04 at 03:26:42]is there any way to see it normally in the camera like the letterbox?[/quote]
Only if you buy the $320 Century un-squeezing eyepiece. The camera by itself cannot do it.
i read that squeeze is for widescreen only but i will use tv mainly. so should i use squeeze or letterbox?
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If you intend to display on a 4:3 TV, there is no advantage to using squeeze mode, you will in fact get better quality by using letterbox.
 
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"If you intend to display on a 4:3 TV, there is no advantage to using squeeze mode, you will in fact get better quality by using letterbox." dixit Barry Green

yeah...i agree, letterbox looks much better than squeezed. kind of weird though...
I wonder if there is a way to go true anamorphic from a letterboxed footage without degrading the image. (of course, letterbox starts with less rez than optical anamorphic).
 
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From letterbox to anamorphic is quite impossible. Anamorphic process yields greater aspect and greater field of view. I really don't even understand how you would "recapture" the letterboxed 1.33:1 frame to what... ? heh yeah that is nonsense hah!
Squeeze will take up the aspect of 1.78:1 which will result in a more conformed format for your widescreen tv. Letterboxed will be 1.33:1 frame with black outs on top and bottom hence it will be properly displayed on your square tv. Squeezed on a square tv will result in yes same squeezed footage. Letterboxed on a widescreen tv will result in a mess with black outs on left and right and on top and bottom.
 
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You can shoot queezed and put it on dvd, on a 4:3 tv it looks like letterboxed, and if viewing on 16:9 tv, its full screen.
But be carefull when shooting interlaced squeezed, it looks jaggy.
 
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i can get used to using the cameras stretched mode but the only thing i dont know is if it is actually better quality or not. i dont see a big difference.

also it is more entanglement.
 
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Hey JKL have a question about the squeezed mode on a 4/3 tv. Well since the chips of the camera are 4/3 just like the tv would not be the footage also squeezed? I am assuming that dvd player does the squeezed to letterbox conversion automatically is that why ?
Also amiganr1, it really depends on the outcome of your footage again look above couple posts and you will see what results in what. I haven't been corrected so far so i am assuming my reasoning is correct. Basically you would shoot squeezed if you want to output widescreen (1.78:1) with loss of the same lines of resolution as letterboxed.
 
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Squeeze VS. Letterbox.......now I'm confused. Most of what I have read has stated that squeeze mode has a better resolution than the letterbox mode since letterbox is just shooting on a 4:3 chip witha mask for the top and bottom.....the squeeze mode uses the whole chip...it electronically stretches/squeezes the image across the 4:3 chip.....so what's all this about letterbox being the same or better rez? ???
 
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Squeeze and Letterbox start out using the same area of the chip, the same surface area, the same resolution. Squeeze gets stretched out to become 16:9-shaped (and in the process loses some definition, some resolution). Letterbox gets black bars put on it, so it loses some picture area but no loss in resolution. But then again it's 4:3 and not 16:9.
 
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the squeeze mode is like an anamorphic adapter AFTER the CCD, in the software of the camera. Its not as HQ as optical anamorphic, and you are not gaining any resolution. correct?
 
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It converts letterbox footage to be the appropriate shape for viewing on a widescreen TV. As such it suffers just a tiny loss in resolution, about 10%.
 
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i started a project shooting in the squeeze mode but now it seems maybe I should have shot in regular letterbox. the final project will be projected (on a digital projector).....and also a DVD will be burned.....Barry- suggestions on what format to shoot...letterbox or squeezed?
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=Events;num=1090664802;start=0#10 date=07/28/04 at 22:12:41]It converts letterbox footage to be the appropriate shape for viewing on a widescreen TV.  As such it suffers just a tiny loss in resolution, about 10%.[/quote]

Isn't it 33.3...%?
 
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Squeeze footage loses about 10% as compared to letterbox.

As compared to anamorphic, it loses about 33%.

shm, if you're already shooting squeezed, keep shooting squeezed. You can make an anamorphic widescreen DVD from your project, and squeeze is pretty good, so stay the course.
 
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Okay, can someone break it down for me?

If I am strapped for cash, but I want to have the look of the anamorphic/letterbox (i.e. cut top and bottom) is there anyway to do it and have it playable on 4:3 tv sets as well as 16:9 and if required for some blessed reason convert it to film and project it without completely eradicating the quality?

Does that make sense? Basically, I know I should get the anamorphic if I can afford it, but would I be effectively prohibited from outputting to a DV capable of playing on both 4:3 and 16:9 tv sets as well as film?

Thanks.
 
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If you're transfering to film, you'd want the anamorphic adaptor. But realistically, if you're not getting a film out, or wanting to display on 16:9 tv....letterboxed mode would be the absolute best. No decompression/recompression, just flat out full 4:3 video with black bands.
 
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Barry- thanks for the response....I'll stay the course and shoot squeezed....I suppose I could burn a DVD that would contain both a wide screen version and a 4:3 letterbox version....correct?
 
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No DV plays properly on both 4:3 and 16:9 sets. They are mutually exclusive. Your video will be squashed on one or the other.

If you send it to a DVD, then you'd want to shoot either with the anamorphic adapter or, on a budget, with squeeze mode.

If you're going for a film transfer, you will give up a significant amount of resolution by going with squeeze vs. the anamorphic adapter. You have to weigh the cost and convenience benefits and tradeoffs.
 
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I have been wondering exactly what the correct formula is for using the anamorphic lens WITH squeeze mode.... in test footage, I use Vegas 5, 24P widescreen template and capture in full wide screen, but still looks compressed. Please explain the what and why of this process...???... TIA!
Gary
 
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The anamorphic lens WITH squeeze mode gets you approximately anamorphic 2.35:1. It's useless, really, you might as well shoot with the adaptor and letterboxed mode for 2.35, because then you're not re-squashing the image to fit inside the 16:9 frame.
 
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