J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/23/tv.sopranos.davidchase.ap/index.html
What's his problem ? Ragging on the fans ?
What's his problem ? Ragging on the fans ?
Sopranos creator a d*** ?
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MattinSTL
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Without even clicking that link I can wager a guess... 99% of the sopranos fans wanted somebody's head to roll after the finale, since they didn't get to see one roll IN the finale... and the other 1% fans and creators of the show tried to defend the ending as brilliance... hence the great divide... in true mobster form, you're best friends until that guy kills you... meaning the fans to the show.
EDIT: Ha! OK now after reading that link I know you'll never believe that I didn't read it before typing the above.
EDIT: Ha! OK now after reading that link I know you'll never believe that I didn't read it before typing the above.
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Matthew R. Rodwell
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I watched the first season and it wasn't all that great, I was told it doesn't really start getting good till after the 3rd season but I never bothered.
I have heard that seasons one and two were entered into the standing collection of a nationally renowned museum... can't remember the name off the top of my head.
How I rank the seasons: 1, 5, 4, 3, 2, 6
I believe the ending of The Sopranos was like waking up abruptly from a dream, and if you've listened to Chase talk about the show, he's fascinated by the fact that the Jersey mobsters became heroes after 9/11 with a "Hand Osama to Us"-type poster -- to think that a couple of Mafioso characters are trusted more with the distribution of justice than Bush, the government, or our military. The mob-genre has for years been called the distinctly American genre, along with the Western, that and it has been psychoanalyzed to reveal that there's some inkling in all of us to live this kind of lifestyle; the dream is over, but "Don't Stop Believing." -- or hold on to that feeling, and if you felt your gut knot up in that end sequence because of the dread surrounding a possible impending hit, then you know that feeling.
In my opinion, The Sopranos was a true landmark on television and it rivaled our most cherished films in terms of intertextuality.
I'm not defending the ending or lauding it, but I will say that I'm glad the end wasn't explicitly spelled out.
By the way, how is he a ****? Because he just stopped nearly the entire fanbase from dissecting the finale for clues of Tony's demise? The dedicated few will persevere, no doubt churning out new theories that explain why Tony died after the blackout.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
I have enjoyed what I have seen of The Sopranos
But
After Scorsese and DePalma perfecting the genre it just wasn't exciting or fresh to me. Not to say it was bad to me, I like it, but I just never became devout
But
After Scorsese and DePalma perfecting the genre it just wasn't exciting or fresh to me. Not to say it was bad to me, I like it, but I just never became devout
I'm a HUGE Scorsese fan - HUGE! And I love Brian DePalma - I'm staring at a Carlito's Way poster as I type this. True highwater marks within our age.
The Sopranos (IMHO) might also be compared to The Godfather in terms of its station around family and how a patriarchal figure's weight (no pun) rippled throughout. (Clearly Tony and his crew were not nice guys... but they could be.)
I've always thought that it was very clever, very layered and definitely one of the best written shows on episodic television. Sustaining those character archs over 6/7 seasons - WOW!
dmc
The Sopranos (IMHO) might also be compared to The Godfather in terms of its station around family and how a patriarchal figure's weight (no pun) rippled throughout. (Clearly Tony and his crew were not nice guys... but they could be.)
I've always thought that it was very clever, very layered and definitely one of the best written shows on episodic television. Sustaining those character archs over 6/7 seasons - WOW!
dmc
Our industry is rife with ego - maybe he was tired. That's a pretty impressive body of work.
: )
dmc
ExtremeSleuth
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IMHO The Sopranos is the greatest show ever to be on tv. I probably wouldn't be saying that if it were on FOX like it was supposed to be. I'm glad Chase went with HBO, gave him more control over the writing, and was able to express himself more.
I kinda hated the ending, but at the same time, loved it. It was meant to keep the buzz of the show going after it was over, and now Chase came out and said what he did in the interview, which if you really read into it, means Tony doesn't die.
I kinda hated the ending, but at the same time, loved it. It was meant to keep the buzz of the show going after it was over, and now Chase came out and said what he did in the interview, which if you really read into it, means Tony doesn't die.
DeSica
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I watched the first two seasons up here back when they came out (6 months or a year lag in Canada?) and still weren't that popular. I thought it was pretty good.
Then there was a production break, or something, and when they came back with season 3 and on, it reminded me more of a soap opera...like a night time soap, the way Desperate Housewives is as much a soap as it is a drama ( from what I gather...I try and avoid the show at all costs).
I stopped following it around the time most people really got into it, and I don't feel like I missed anything. The re-runs are all over the place, sometimes pitted against each other on different stations at the same time, so I can watch a bit whenever the mood hits me. I don't think I'd buy a DVD set of this, or anything like that...but it was a good show.
Mad Men is running that route, too. One of the Sopranos' producers, Matthew Weiner, created this show, and it has the same kind of soap feel, along with very good story lines, well developed characters and solid acting. In an interview, he said something about Mad Men being in the works around the same time as The Sopranos, but it got shelved for a while.
Of course, the thread of good writing, great characters and solid acting is something that was evident even when Chase was working on The Rockford Files.
People were reading too much into the show at times, and I guess Chase wanted something more straightforward and simple for an ending. Wasn't the point of the show to humanise the people in that world, and to show how their lives are just like the rest of the world's? Which is to say sometimes problematic, often enjoyable, mostly mundane and occasionally crazy...
I think the point was that their lives will trudge along, just like yours will, even when you stop looking.
Then there was a production break, or something, and when they came back with season 3 and on, it reminded me more of a soap opera...like a night time soap, the way Desperate Housewives is as much a soap as it is a drama ( from what I gather...I try and avoid the show at all costs).
I stopped following it around the time most people really got into it, and I don't feel like I missed anything. The re-runs are all over the place, sometimes pitted against each other on different stations at the same time, so I can watch a bit whenever the mood hits me. I don't think I'd buy a DVD set of this, or anything like that...but it was a good show.
Mad Men is running that route, too. One of the Sopranos' producers, Matthew Weiner, created this show, and it has the same kind of soap feel, along with very good story lines, well developed characters and solid acting. In an interview, he said something about Mad Men being in the works around the same time as The Sopranos, but it got shelved for a while.
Of course, the thread of good writing, great characters and solid acting is something that was evident even when Chase was working on The Rockford Files.
People were reading too much into the show at times, and I guess Chase wanted something more straightforward and simple for an ending. Wasn't the point of the show to humanise the people in that world, and to show how their lives are just like the rest of the world's? Which is to say sometimes problematic, often enjoyable, mostly mundane and occasionally crazy...
I think the point was that their lives will trudge along, just like yours will, even when you stop looking.
