Sony RX10 with 24-200mm constant f2.8 zoom and 1" sensor !

honestly, if it's electronic i'd be more than annoyed, a electronic ND filter isn't a filter at all and that would be false advertising to say something has a built in ND filter when it really just has a 'light reducing circuit" i made a preorder for an ND filter, not a circuit
 
Darren Levine said:
honestly, if it's electronic i'd be more than annoyed, a electronic ND filter isn't a filter at all and that would be false advertising to say something has a built in ND filter when it really just has a 'light reducing circuit" i made a preorder for an ND filter, not a circuit
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I don't think there even is such a thing as an "electronic" ND. ISO is electronic ND, but it can't really go very low.

Every ND is basically a filter wheel. Though some in consumer cams are automatic. How can you be annoyed by something that doesn't exist?
 
maarek said:
I don't think there even is such a thing as an "electronic" ND. ISO is electronic ND, but it can't really go very low.

Every ND is basically a filter wheel. Though some in consumer cams are automatic. How can you be annoyed by something that doesn't exist?
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i wonder how it would work then. The ND filter settings are in the menus, the sensor is 1"...I doubt there is enough space in such a small package for a filter carrousel, except if it's some kind of variable ND that is controllable by the menus? If you look at the FS700, there is a specific body protuberance just for the ND filters. I could/can be wrong, just speculating.

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this could actually be a real thing... i just scoured the sony page for any mention of ND and it's nowhere on the official page, not in overview, features, or specs....

the only mention is in the manual which refers to it as a "function" in the menu that reduces the amount of light.

not likin the smell of it
 
I just had a chat with B&H to try to get more infos on this. I talked to a secretary who trf'd me to pro photo, and they wanted to trf me to point & shoot dept. Asked him if he could trf me to pro video instead since they would likely be more competent in answering this; got the "send in an email and we'll look into it" reply...
 
i just called sony and the lady read from their whatever papers that it's a 3 stop neutral density and she said yes it's an actual filter not electronic.

better, but not completely reassuring
 
Well, if they say so... good for you Darren. I hope it's true, I'm gonna dig to see what type of filter it could be exactly, maybe they used it in another camera?
 
Darren Levine said:
i just called sony and the lady read from their whatever papers that it's a 3 stop neutral density and she said yes it's an actual filter not electronic.

better, but not completely reassuring
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That is great news. A real nd filter in this type camera is what I have been waiting for. Also helps justify the price.
 
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It only has one filter, so it doesn't take a lot of space: it's just a piece of glass that moves up or down, total space of the mechanism, maybe twice the area of the sensor, and this is not a big sensor.
If it was electronic, you would probably be able to choose 1 and 2 stops of filtration too.
 
from the help section:

"If you use an ND filter, the amount of light entering the camera is reduced. You can slow down the shutter speed and decrease the aperture value for a better exposure.
MENU → (Camera Settings) → [ND Filter] → desired setting."
 
While I agree that DR is essential, web videos now, and especially when 4K finally comes, will require the high resolution of the RX10. Light well, shoot around the limitations, know your audience looks at resolution before DR unless highlights are blown,. Web audience are Being trained by web commercial videos to equate resolution before other things, so cater to that ill informed prejudice.

And there is always the hope that the HDMI out signal is an improvement. But we thought that with our C100s and ended up using AVCHD.
 
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The RX10 is a handy little consumer camera, but I'm not seeing more than 10 stops DR max on video and it is a low grade point and shoot codec.
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If we are talking about image, DR, codec, then Pocket is clearly winner.
If we are talking about true pocket type portability, usability, convenience, then rx10 is winner. Sony, Could you have S-log available for rx10? Please?
 
we have yet to see anything shot with neutral profile with contrast all the way down, so hold off on the DR subject. as for the codec, i've already submitted two separate requests for them to up their codec to compete with the gh3 which is in the same price range. if enough people submit requests, they might just listen
 
I used the BM Pocket camera a few days ago. HORRIBLE rolling shutter. It's like the bad rolling shutter of the BMCC magnified. Almost unusable as a handheld camera, which is what it's designed for. DR is great, but who cares when the image is usually jello.

Static tests on youtube and vimeo of blackmagic cameras neglect a lot of the negative aspects of the BM Cameras. A camera is not a spec sheet, they are meant to shoot people who move around the same time you're moving around.

bumkicho said:
If we are talking about image, DR, codec, then Pocket is clearly winner.
If we are talking about true pocket type portability, usability, convenience, then rx10 is winner. Sony, Could you have S-log available for rx10? Please?
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Razz16mm said:
The RX10 is a handy little consumer camera, but I'm not seeing more than 10 stops DR max on video and it is a low grade point and shoot codec.
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The day I see footage from the RX10 with 10 stops of DR I'll definitely buy one. Until now it's probably been less.
 
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