Sony reveals 1st NXCAM camcorder: HXR-NX5U

First "hands on" review of shipping model with footage.

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Cool video thanks ATL.

At 5:30 to 5:35 when he was zooming in and out I wonder why the colour of the words in the shot changes from red to grey.
 
He's saying there are compression issues with Youtube. He's trying to find a place to upload the raw video.
I'll keep you posted when he provides link.
 
Hidef1080 said:
I noticed that too.
And while the effects or weakness of rolling shutter are real I'm coming to the conclusion that the CMOS thing is being blown out of proportion in many cases.


Again, people know what the need and want [Like I want more resolution than what I'm getting now] but for me this flash banding would not be an issue nor would “whip pans” because it's just something that I've never done.
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Is the pan at :12 from the video below considered a 'whip' pan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xVLdNBh1qc&feature=related

If so I have to think twice about buying this camera as I whip pan quite often.
 
chromeboy007 said:
Is the pan at :12 from the video below considered a 'whip' pan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xVLdNBh1qc&feature=related

If so I have to think twice about buying this camera as I whip pan quite often.
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Upon reviewing the evidence thoroughly, painstakingly analysis, and then discussing it with my puppy to get a second opinion ...yes, that's a whip pan. Would that dizzying blur look better shot with CCD than CMOS? Perhaps. :grin:
 
chromeboy007 said:
Is the pan at :12 from the video below considered a 'whip' pan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xVLdNBh1qc&feature=related

If so I have to think twice about buying this camera as I whip pan quite often.
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Many people live with it. Here is a test with pans on the Canon dSLRs for which we don't hear many complains. Sony is better than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp_65IQ9U-Q

You also need to avoid high frequency vibration (Z1 CCD and clearvid CMOS Z7):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaDrS-yzIE

Canon CMOS and panasonic CCD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSWDP1Tsj1Y
 
Robert M Wright said:
Upon reviewing the evidence thoroughly, painstakingly analysis, and then discussing it with my puppy to get a second opinion ...yes, that's a whip pan. Would that dizzying blur look better shot with CCD than CMOS? Perhaps. :grin:
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LOL.. I guess if you shoot a lot of sports where you don't stay on a subject this could be an issue?
 
These perpetual CMOS vs. CCD arguments crack me up. The video posted several pages back clearly demonstrates the inherent issues CMOS sensors have with both camera flashes and skewing. Of course, people with CMOS-based cameras never see this a problem. It's always a big joke to them and they love to poke fun at those of us with "lower res" cameras like the HMC-150.

Sure, if you never shoot camera flashes, do "whip pans" or need shots that might have a picket fence in the background you may never see these problems. Seems like there sure are a lot of "I never shoot" scenarios with CMOS. Start to think about, for example, all the situations where you might end up having to deal with camera flashes. Birthday parties, weddings, concerts, parades, car shows, sporting events, etc. It may not always be a problem but do you really want to have to worry about rolling shutter?

This is why I, and plenty of other people, find any camera with a CMOS sensor totally unacceptable. Lots of people love them, though, and more power to them. Don't let anyone demean you for chosing the HMC-150 over a CMOS-based camera, especially here on what is supposed to be a mainly Panasonic forum. The HMC is a great piece of kit and I'm sure you will love it. Personally, I like to control my camera, not let it control me and what I can shoot. I'd rather be out there shooting than obsessing over who's camera has a few more pixels than mine or a little bit better sharpness.
 
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Xian Messerschmidt said:
Of course, people with CMOS-based cameras never see this a problem. It's always a big joke to them and they love to poke fun at those of us with "lower res" cameras like the HMC-150.
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It could well be that people who've purchased a CMOS camera understand the issues inherent in the technology (just like issues inherent in ANY technology) and have purchased the correct camera for their needs. As for poking fun, I invite you to go back and read the thousands of spiteful comments levied at Sony EX1 purchasers on the release of that camera by the Panasonic faithful. So before you start talking about who's making jokes and poking fun, get your context right.

Xian Messerschmidt said:
Sure, if you never shoot camera flashes, do "whip pans" or need shots that might have a picket fence in the background you may never see these problems.
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Bingo. In more than a year and a half of ownership, I've never done any of these things with my camera. And I don't plan on starting.

Xian Messerschmidt said:
Seems like there sure are a lot of "I never shoot" scenarios with CMOS. Start to think about, for example, all the situations where you might end up having to deal with camera flashes. Birthday parties, weddings, concerts, parades, car shows, sporting events, etc. It may not always be a problem but do you really want to have to worry about rolling shutter?
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I don't shoot birthday parties, weddings, concerts, or parades. I do shoot car shows and sporting events, and have never had a single issue with the CMOS sensor. Zero.

Xian Messerschmidt said:
This is why I, and plenty of other people, find any camera with a CMOS sensor totally unacceptable. Lots of people love them, though, and more power to them. Don't let anyone demean you for chosing the HMC-150 over a CMOS-based camera, especially here on what is supposed to be a mainly Panasonic forum. The HMC is a great piece of kit and I'm sure you will love it. Personally, I like to control my camera, not let it control me and what I can shoot. I'd rather be out there shooting than obsessing over who's camera has a few more pixels than mine or a little bit better sharpness.
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No one should demean anyone for making a different camera choice. These are just tools. CCD has it's issues as well and it fails in ways that CMOS sensors can't. Small sensors have issues that large sensors don't. And large sensors can cause problems that small sensors don't. Lot's of choices to be made in this game.

Your inflammatory comments about people who choose CMOS cameras being controlled by their cameras while CCD shooters like yourself are masters of their cameras, do nothing to help. Some of us have chosen our cameras because our local broadcasters say it meets their spec, while cameras such as the HMC150 do not. That is the difference between making a living and not for some. You can be the CCD Master of your camera all you like, but if you can't sell your work, then you're the master of a lovely paperweight.

Again, we each choose based on our needs and desires. But to suggest that somehow CMOS cameras are incapable of allowing shooters to shoot what CCD cameras can is laughable. I've seen movies shot with CCD and CMOS take best picture at the Academy Awards. And I've seen CMOS cameras like the RED do just fine in allowing people to shoot whatever they care to shoot at a very professional level. George Lucas didn't seem to mind screening Phil Bloom's CMOS footage at Skywalker ranch last month. I guess he doesn't have any picket fences on the property...
 
Xian Messerschmidt said:
These perpetual CMOS vs. CCD arguments crack me up. The video posted several pages back clearly demonstrates the inherent issues CMOS sensors have with both camera flashes and skewing. Of course, people with CMOS-based cameras never see this a problem. It's always a big joke to them and they love to poke fun at those of us with "lower res" cameras like the HMC-150.

Sure, if you never shoot camera flashes, do "whip pans" or need shots that might have a picket fence in the background you may never see these problems. Seems like there sure are a lot of "I never shoot" scenarios with CMOS. Start to think about, for example, all the situations where you might end up having to deal with camera flashes. Birthday parties, weddings, concerts, parades, car shows, sporting events, etc. It may not always be a problem but do you really want to have to worry about rolling shutter?

This is why I, and plenty of other people, find any camera with a CMOS sensor totally unacceptable. Lots of people love them, though, and more power to them. Don't let anyone demean you for chosing the HMC-150 over a CMOS-based camera, especially here on what is supposed to be a mainly Panasonic forum. The HMC is a great piece of kit and I'm sure you will love it. Personally, I like to control my camera, not let it control me and what I can shoot. I'd rather be out there shooting than obsessing over who's camera has a few more pixels than mine or a little bit better sharpness.
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Woo hoo!!
More power to me!!

All jokes aside.

I shoot all the time with my 150 and I like it but it does not have the resolution I want and it is lacking a few other things the NX5 has.
I plan on keeping my 150 but this Sony cam seems to meet my needs better.

Why anyone would have a beef with that is funny to me.
 
Hidef1080 said:
Woo hoo!!
More power to me!!

All jokes aside.

I shoot all the time with my 150 and I like it but it does not have the resolution I want and it is lacking a few other things the NX5 has.
I plan on keeping my 150 but this Sony cam seems to meet my needs better.

Why anyone would have a beef with that is funny to me.
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I'm in the same boat.. Love my 150 but am getting the HMC40 this week and maybe the new Canon Rebel T2i as a 3rd cam... The 150 might not cut as well with those higher rez cams so this Sony might be in my future.
 
ATL Media Group said:
I'm in the same boat.. Love my 150 but am getting the HMC40 this week and maybe the new Canon Rebel T2i as a 3rd cam... The 150 might not cut as well with those higher rez cams so this Sony might be in my future.
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Current A1/G1 can resolve 1600x1015 (interlaced) и 1600x940 (progressive) through HD-SDI, even with existing interlaced sensors and "fake", as some call it, progressive mode. The new Canon will have high-res CCDs and 50 Mbit/s 4:4:2 codec, seems to me like the best compromise between the HMC150 and the NX5.
 
I don't have a beef about it at all. There are two sides to the whole CMOS vs. CCD argument and I was trying to demonstrate the opposite viewpoint. It's something that you don't tend to read about a lot anymore. I'm just trying to balance the argument scale a bit. ;)


For the record, my post wasn't directed at Perrone Ford or anyone in particular. I didn't think any of my comments were particularly more "inflammatory" than anything I've read here recently about the HMC-150. I find the whole thing a bit ridiculous since the site is called DVXUser and is generally considered a Panasonic friendly forum. As a happy HMC-150 owner who thinks pixel count and sharpness aren't all there is, I shouldn't have to come here every day and read about how supposedly inferior my camera is.

Like Perrone said it's a choice. We all use our cameras for different things. No one should be bullied because they prefer one camera over another. That's what I was trying to point out.
 
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Cranky said:
Current A1/G1 can resolve 1600x1015 (interlaced) и 1600x940 (progressive) through HD-SDI, even with existing interlaced sensors and "fake", as some call it, progressive mode. The new Canon will have high-res CCDs and 50 Mbit/s 4:4:2 codec, seems to me like the best compromise between the HMC150 and the NX5.
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While true, I just don't care for the controls/menus on Canons video cams. Besides the fact that I think the mockup of the new Canon is just plain butt ugly!
 
Xian Messerschmidt said:
I don't have a beef about it at all. There are two sides to the whole CMOS vs. CCD argument and I was trying to demonstrate the opposite viewpoint. It's something that you don't tend to read about a lot anymore. I'm just trying to balance the argument scale a bit. ;)


For the record, my post wasn't directed at Perrone Ford or anyone in particular. I didn't think any of my comments were particularly more "inflammatory" than anything I've read here recently about the HMC-150. I find the whole thing a bit ridiculous since the site is called DVXUser and is generally considered a Panasonic friendly forum. As a happy HMC-150 owner who thinks pixel count and sharpness aren't all there is, I shouldn't have to come here every day and read about how supposedly inferior my camera is. Like Perrone said it's a choice. No one should be bullied because they prefer one camera over another. That's what I was trying to point out.
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Panasonic makes several Cmos cameras... One even uses the HMC moniker.
I also own an HMC150 and LOVE it. Before that I owned a DVX100 and also loved it. I remember when the HMC came out a lot of people slammed it's AVCHD codec because "It's not professional, and too hard to edit." That doesn't mean they didn't like Panasonic, or they didn't like everything else about the HMC. Hopefully by the time I decide to upgrade my HMC, there will be a newer version out.... If not, I can always go with the Sony or another camera. I wish the Sony NX5 had the Panasonic badge on it, but it doesn't.

Oh well.
 
There is nothing really "wrong" with their controls... They are just different than I'm used to. Personally I like Panasonic's then Sonys control scheme. Same goes for menu options.. Panny then Sony...
 
This is a forum, presumably to discuss cameras, with a primary focus on (but not limited to) Panasonic video cameras. Discussion includes talking/sharing information/sharing opinion about the good, the bad, and the downright butt-ugly. If this were merely a forum for what amounts to an online pep rally, rather than a forum for discussion, then I would certainly be in the wrong place. I'm very interested in learning and sharing knowledge/opinion, yet have absolutely no interest whatsoever in worshiping and/or singing the praises of (nor slamming) a corporation, for goodness sake.

I have an HMC40, and absolutely love it. CMOS suits my purposes better than CCD. For some folks, CCD suits their purposes better. Fortunately, Panasonic (as well as other companies) makes some very good camcorders of both varieties - and I've certainly seen absolutely gorgeous images coming from both those types of camcorders.

Personally, I don't go around looking for picket fences to shoot from moving vehicles, or anything akin to that. That's not the same thing as avoiding picket fences. I simply have no desire whatsoever to get in front of them while moving my camera at warp speed. For those who do, by all means, and pretty please, do buy a CCD cam (and the HMC150 is certainly a nice one, despite having shortcomings just as all camcorders do).

I do find humor in the notion that overexposing an entire frame is somehow inherently superior to overexposing a portion of a frame, but certainly respect those who (for whatever reason) intensely dislike banded overexposure in just a portion of a frame when there is a flash of light from a still camera (or whatever), and indeed encourage those folks to get CCD cams as well.
 
ATL Media Group said:
While true, I just don't care for the controls/menus on Canons video cams. Besides the fact that I think the mockup of the new Canon is just plain butt ugly!
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It's not horrid, but I'm not exactly wild about the feel and handling with the A1 either. I do like the feel and handling with the HMC40 quite a bit better, but it sure would be slick to have the almost infinitely tweakable image settings abilities of the Canon in the Panny.
 
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