Sony now suing RED!

BobbyMurcerFan said:
...BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if the Japanese government weren't somehow stoking the North Korean situation to hurt LG and Samsung. Obviously they don't want war, but some serious uncertainty and joint factory shutdowns may be helpful to Japanese firms.
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Dude, you need to get out more.
 
bruceallen said:
You obviously haven't read the patents cited in the lawsuit. Take your time and check it out thoroughly and let's chat about it then, OK?



Barry, this is a really poor argument. On four levels.

1. By your logic, you feel that LodSys should be given the benefit of the doubt with their patenting of in-app purchasing and those Internet Shopping Cart patent holders should not endure any criticism until they've had their day in court.

2. As a filmmaker, it is my right to criticize one camera manufacturer for starting a legal war that stifles innovation and drives equipment prices up. Especially when that company's marketing relies on "we're the indie good guys, fighting for you the filmmaker". If Blackmagic Design or GoPro or the next innovative company decides to scale back their digital cinema camera plans because of the hostile legal environment RED is creating, then it hurts me.

3. I am not a lawyer but do know IP lawyers, and believe me their opinion is even more scathing.

4. You obviously have a greater faith in our patent and court system than I do. I am not fond of litigious companies and I intent to put not just my purchasing dollars but my equipment rentals dollars where my mouth lies. Just as I would prefer to use a Google product - because they have a stated policy of not sue over patent infringement "unless attacked".
http://google-opensource.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/taking-stand-on-open-source-and-patents.html

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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Patent lawsuits do not stifle innovation, they protect it. If you can't defend the value of your innovations, then why invest money in them? Some people here think everyone should work merely for "passion of the art". Well, they don't. They work for $$ too, and there's nothing wrong with that - besides, it takes a lot of $$, whether you personally wish to be a starving artist or not, to develop a camera.
 
Robert Ruffo said:
Patent lawsuits do not stifle innovation, they protect it. If you can't defend the value of your innovations, then why invest money in them? Some people here think everyone should work merely for "passion of the art". Well, they don't. They work for $$ too, and there's nothing wrong with that - besides, it takes a lot of $$, whether you personally wish to be a starving artist or not, to develop a camera.
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Patent lawsuits can do both. It's a double edged sword.

Yes, patent laws can protect investment. You spend millions in R&D so you need to recoup that money. You won't if someone else just copies your product without spending the R&D.

On the other hand everything is a remix, something that builds on the past. If Patent law is to stringent then nothing new can be invented, and not everyone has millions of dollars to spend on defending themselves against a patent lawsuit. Remember the one click lawsuit?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1-Click


http://vimeo.com/14912890
What if no one could sell anything on the internet without paying Amazon? It's not as black and white as you seem to think.
 
Barry_Green said:
Why would you want to support Sony and its lawsuit? Why does that make you happy? You don't know which party is in the right, or which is in the wrong. Or, more likely, they both share some of each...

This is just so weird...
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It was partly meant as a dig against Sony too for such an over-priced super 35mm camera, as if anyone would run out and buy a F5/F55 to support a lawsuit. :happy:


Barry_Green said:
Wow. Have times changed that much? From just a few short years ago, where Red was the savior of indie filmmaking, the renegade that was going to revolutionize the industry and break up the stranglehold on technology that the evil cartel of Japanese companies held... now we seriously have someone ROOTING for Sony (Sony! Of all companies!) to kill Red dead...

Starcentral, you win the award for the most unexpected post I've ever seen on DVXUser...
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lol. thanks I think. :huh:

As someone else said earlier if Sony started the first lawsuit then I would be routing for RED right now. In reality I have nothing against the RED cameras themselves and if a client demands it I will shoot with it no problem. Right now I'm pretty happy with my overpriced F55 as it does a lot of things in one convenient package that I've wanted for a very long time.

It's true that many of us rooted for RED back in 2006 when they were seen as a renegade and saviour to indie filmmaking but over the years they have done a lot to leave a bad taste in the mouths of many. It was their own actions and behaviours which lead to forming those perceptions. RED's legal actions may indeed be warranted and if so they should win them, I've said that in the forums in the past. But the initial lawsuit by RED only goes further to reinforce what so many already think about them.

In 2005 RED might have been a renegade but in 2013 is seen as nothing more than a vigilant tyrant who will stop at nothing.
 
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