Sony NEX5 Exmor CMOS full hd

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This month on the 11th Sony will release a APS-C Exmor CMOS camera that shoots full HD, 720p and standard def. It's a compact body but taking in consideration that I do waaaayyyyy more photo work than video work and that I do a lot of street work this camera could really rock. I currently have the E-P1, which I like but find to lack dynamic range and poor video. This camera could be a great alternative!

The only thing that really bothers me is that it doesn't have 24p or 25p (hopefully someone will fix this over firmware). This really sucks. I also don't know about manual controls. We will have to wait until the official release.

Check out the non official details:

Image Sensor - Exmor CMOS
14.6 Mega Pixels (14.2M Effective Pixels) -> More than the 12 megapixels from MicroFourThirds and the same ammount of pixels of the Samsung NX10.

Video
1920*1080 30fps (NEX5)
1280*720 30fps
640*480 30fps

File format - (Still image)
RAW
RAW+JPEG
JPEG FINE
JPEG Normal

(Video)
MP4,AVCHD (probablz 17Mb/sec like the Panasonic GH1)
Mount
Sony E Mount

AF
11 Point

ISO
Auto, 100-12800

Photometry
49-segment honeycomb-pattern / Central / Spot

exposure
+- 2.0EV (1/3 EV Interval)

Shutter speed
1/4000 to 30sec / Bulb

Scene mode
(See the leaked images we posted few days ago)

LCD
0.92M 3.0 inch TFT LCD (Same as the Sony A550)

Interface
USB 2.0 / HDMI / Video (PAL/NTSC)

Battery
NP-FW50

Color
Black,Silver,Red,Blue

Memory
SD/SDHC , Memory stick

Panorama
vertical (wide) 4912*1920 (Nor)3424*1920
Horizon (wide) 7152*1080 (nor)4912*1080
 
wow, major fail on the framerate and codec. Forgetable. I guess Sony doesn't like making money.
 
I've been following this website for sometime and usually they get a fair amount of specs right before the actualy official release, but not all of them. On may 11th will know for sure. Lets hope for some 24/25 progressive! As for the codec and bit rate isn't it the same as the GH1's?
 
It's hard to go Sony when M43 is so adaptable (and cheap), even if with Zeiss AF support. It just means quality with a price, and more constrictions via proprietaries. Though I noticed they at least didn't stick to their memory sticks and have SDHC options as well.

But a larger sized, Exmor sensor with a relatively (to Canon's) low mega pixel count is a very good thing nonetheless theoretically for noise control and dynamic range.
 
I actually think this camera is pretty interesting. It should be officially announced tomorrow, but some info has been leaked already. Looks like it will be less expensive than even the micro 4/3 cameras. It has a tilt screen. High ISO performance looks promising. Records to either MS or SD. I'm definitely interested in it as a still camera. The video would be a nice bonus! Could be a fun camera and best of all, it will force even more competition by the other companies.

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With the 16mm prime, you could have a sweet, little, lightweight setup like this:


 
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30 fps, NEX5 full HD appears to be interlaced, adapter needed even for existing Sony Alpha lenses? Not too attractive but maybe tilt screen, low light performance and cost might bring it back into play. Overall, not a standout release to my mind, just more of the same (and possibly not better than what we already have). Shame. Await Nikon and Pentax news...
 
raymondluo said:
It's hard to go Sony when M43 is so adaptable
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The Sony E mount will be just as adaptable as M43 with the exception of C mount lenses(image circle too small). The flange back distance on the E mount is short enough to allow all 35mm lenses to be adapted via a "dumb" adapter just like M43.
 
shaocaholica said:
The Sony E mount will be just as adaptable as M43 with the exception of C mount lenses(image circle too small). The flange back distance on the E mount is short enough to allow all 35mm lenses to be adapted via a "dumb" adapter just like M43.
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Anyone know if the camera will support stop-down metering? We kind of take for granted that all micro 4/3s do and that's what allows us to use manual lenses...but you can't even use manual nikon lenses on low-end Nikon cameras. Knowing Sony, I bet they'll just remove support for stop down metering and do some kind of electronic adaptor for their lenses so you have to use their lenses.
 
ATL Media Group said:
Yes, it is.... But that is where the "fail" comes in. Most GH1 owners wish it had a more robust higher bitrate AVCHD implementation. Like AVCCAM PH mode on their pro gear.
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Only people who don't understand codecs think that, and notably this is not what you hear from actual GH1 users.

This is, quite frankly, FUD, and people only get away with spreading it because so many video types are stuck in the days of Tape where how fast you ran the tape is what determined quality.

Strictly speaking you should want a lower bitrate for a given quality because your storage costs will be lower.

High bitrate is actually the sign of a poor codec, and a company that decided to burn hard drive space to compensate.

It is quite possible for one camera to outperform another in image quality at half the bitrate.
 
That's a controversial way to say it, Gweedo, but technically you're right -- for a given quality level, the lower the bitrate the more efficient the codec. But that presupposes a given quality level. The GH1 doesn't meet that standard very well. It has a low bitrate and suffers from compression overload under pretty simple circumstances.

The Canons use the same basic codec, but they throw bandwidth at the problem, producing more resilient codec results at the expense of file sizes that are 3x larger.

What ATL's referring to is the rock solid nature of PH mode in AVCCAM. While it is slightly higher bitrate (21mbps average, 24mbps peak, versus the 17mbps of the GH1) it's not really the bitrate that is giving it better imagery; it's the efficiency of that codec implementation. Even at 17 megabits the AVCCAM codec is far superior to the GH1's codec at 17mbps.

When people are asking for more bandwidth, it's not FUD, it's a legitimate way to improve the quality of the images. What they may not understand is that there are other ways to improve the quality as well, that can take up even less space. Sony themselves say that AVCHD at 9 megabits is equivalent in codec quality to HDV at 25 megabits. But even they went for more bandwidth to improve quality; XDCAM-EX is basically HDV at 10 more megabits, for example.
 
Right Barry... I should have been more specific. That's why I said "more robust higher bitrate" The robustness of AVCCAM at slightly higher bitrate.. Not that the higher bitrate is what made it more robust.
 
If manual mode could be enabled it would be amazing.
I've read everywhere that this camera only shoots interlaced 30fps, but today I've downloaded a couple of clips from from a well known spanish review website and the clips were 25p! I've started looking around and apparently this camera can do 1440 x 1080 @ 29.97 / 25 fps if you're recording MP4. I'm not sure if this a PAL thing only.
 
I dont know if this is related to the hybrid talked about at NAB, but I think it is something else maybe. Related to thios thread apparently it will take the same lenses as this new Sony DSLR. Seems everyone and their dog is jumping on the interchangable bandwagon.

http://documentarytech.com/?cat=5
 
Those samples are a great info source! Thanks for the links. looks like line skipping /pixel binning is still the name of the game to get 1080p without overheating the sensor. At least I dont have to look forward to the new video camera either.
 
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