Sony High Def Cam
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J.R. Hudson
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No 24p? No Cinegamma? So this will be really sharp looking 60i video?
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No 24p? No Cinegamma? So this will be really sharp looking 60i video?
Barry_Green
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No 24P, but an in-camera emulation of 24P and 30P. And yes to some sort of CinemaGamma mode. In its normal 60i mode, yes it would be super-sharp, super-high-res normal video.
No 24P, but an in-camera emulation of 24P and 30P. And yes to some sort of CinemaGamma mode. In its normal 60i mode, yes it would be super-sharp, super-high-res normal video.
Mike_Donis
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It'll be interesting to see how it emulates 24P - if it's a good emulation, you still may notice a great looking image, with it's higher than SD resolution...
It'll be interesting to see how it emulates 24P - if it's a good emulation, you still may notice a great looking image, with it's higher than SD resolution...
Barry_Green
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That's what I mean. It could be fantastic.
That's what I mean. It could be fantastic.
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bah!
if its not true 24p its no good for a film out.. for broadcast and straight to video type stuff it could rock big time! but for those of us aiming for the silver screen,-- we get no love.. :-/ lol
theres no doubt pani and others will step up to this level.. and pass it... they will make these with true 24p.. exiting to watch the new stuf, but for filmmakers this is just the swell of a wave.. gotta catch the crest !
bah!
if its not true 24p its no good for a film out.. for broadcast and straight to video type stuff it could rock big time! but for those of us aiming for the silver screen,-- we get no love.. :-/ loltheres no doubt pani and others will step up to this level.. and pass it... they will make these with true 24p.. exiting to watch the new stuf, but for filmmakers this is just the swell of a wave.. gotta catch the crest !
Mike_Donis
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If it looks good though, you could always transfer the footage to 24P film from the 60i tape.
It would depend on how they get their cinema mode, however - if it's just a shutter speed thing, then it'll be harder, but if it's a reverse 3:2 pulldown with amazing interpolation, technically speaking, you could extract 24 frames per second from the video and transfer that to film, no?
So if that was the case, then it would just be a question of whether or not the *image* was good, not the motion rendition.
If it looks good though, you could always transfer the footage to 24P film from the 60i tape.
It would depend on how they get their cinema mode, however - if it's just a shutter speed thing, then it'll be harder, but if it's a reverse 3:2 pulldown with amazing interpolation, technically speaking, you could extract 24 frames per second from the video and transfer that to film, no?
So if that was the case, then it would just be a question of whether or not the *image* was good, not the motion rendition.
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yeah, unfortunately..its not a true 24p cam . so theres no way to exctract real 24p from it.. otherwise they would tout the 24p, and you could get it out of it. , but as it is its likely trumpeting a "frame mode" type thingy which bites dog butt, and you would have to pull 24p from a 30p cadance or 60i. which would introduce some wierd stutter, and just not be very cool. basically its just another XL1s as far as its 24p abilities.
in alot of other aspects it really seems to be a nice cam, with some really cool advancements. ..just noteably missing at least one key feature , being the true 24p for filmmakers.
im sure it has other cool features or setbacks that we are unaware of as of now though..
yeah, unfortunately..its not a true 24p cam . so theres no way to exctract real 24p from it.. otherwise they would tout the 24p, and you could get it out of it. , but as it is its likely trumpeting a "frame mode" type thingy which bites dog butt, and you would have to pull 24p from a 30p cadance or 60i. which would introduce some wierd stutter, and just not be very cool. basically its just another XL1s as far as its 24p abilities.
in alot of other aspects it really seems to be a nice cam, with some really cool advancements. ..just noteably missing at least one key feature , being the true 24p for filmmakers.
im sure it has other cool features or setbacks that we are unaware of as of now though..
Barry_Green
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For 24P it could be employing the same technique as Filmlook(tm), which patented a 60i->24P look. Or DVFilm Maker, which also converts 60i to look like 24P. We don't know what it does yet, but it might be premature to think it "bites dog butt" ;D
As far as trumpeting 24P, no, that's not their selling feature. They're bragging that it's the highest-resolution consumer camera. That's their USP (Unique Selling Point) and that's the horse they're going to ride, even if it's not the horse race we're interested in watching (personally my priorities are on true 24P, progressive scan, great audio, and... oh, wait, I've already got that with the DVX! Higher resolution would be nice though, and that 12x zoom range would be nice too.)
For 24P it could be employing the same technique as Filmlook(tm), which patented a 60i->24P look. Or DVFilm Maker, which also converts 60i to look like 24P. We don't know what it does yet, but it might be premature to think it "bites dog butt" ;D
As far as trumpeting 24P, no, that's not their selling feature. They're bragging that it's the highest-resolution consumer camera. That's their USP (Unique Selling Point) and that's the horse they're going to ride, even if it's not the horse race we're interested in watching (personally my priorities are on true 24P, progressive scan, great audio, and... oh, wait, I've already got that with the DVX! Higher resolution would be nice though, and that 12x zoom range would be nice too.)
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my priorities are right with you on getting a new cam.. the DVX rocks.. i want the same level of professionalism.. but with higher res..and native 16:9 thats about all i think i can ask for in a low priced camcorder model without wishing on a DIsney star. ..its really about all i think i need to make a good film for filmout as well... not to discount my DVX though that will do the trick right now!
..true though, if it was sophisticated like DV filmaker 2.0 in its conversion, it could be a real contender for us motion picture people. but ive just got this feeling that its not "the one" yet I think panasonic and cannon are going to be the ones to watch in the HDV filmmakers revolution race.. doesnt sony have yet to make a true 24pcam at this pricepoint?
im personally rooting for panasonic because as we know they listen when the people speak, and i think theyll find a way to make us all fall in love with a new generatoin of camera again.
Sony and Cannon seem to just "consumer" everything up. Panasonic really seems to be striving to corner our little niche, and really seems to be working to give us the type of camera we want.. cause they know well buy it.. and alot of it. and hey.. its a win win
my priorities are right with you on getting a new cam.. the DVX rocks.. i want the same level of professionalism.. but with higher res..and native 16:9 thats about all i think i can ask for in a low priced camcorder model without wishing on a DIsney star. ..its really about all i think i need to make a good film for filmout as well... not to discount my DVX though that will do the trick right now!
..true though, if it was sophisticated like DV filmaker 2.0 in its conversion, it could be a real contender for us motion picture people. but ive just got this feeling that its not "the one" yet
I think panasonic and cannon are going to be the ones to watch in the HDV filmmakers revolution race.. doesnt sony have yet to make a true 24pcam at this pricepoint?im personally rooting for panasonic because as we know they listen when the people speak, and i think theyll find a way to make us all fall in love with a new generatoin of camera again.
Sony and Cannon seem to just "consumer" everything up. Panasonic really seems to be striving to corner our little niche, and really seems to be working to give us the type of camera we want.. cause they know well buy it.. and alot of it. and hey.. its a win win
Barry_Green
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I've been thinking the same thing, except that Panasonic isn't part of the HDV coalition. If they make a consumer HD camera, it may not be HDV, it may be their own proprietary format. Is that a good thing?
I've been thinking the same thing, except that Panasonic isn't part of the HDV coalition. If they make a consumer HD camera, it may not be HDV, it may be their own proprietary format. Is that a good thing?
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It looks quite good, but it's not a true 24p cam
I like the body, pretty sexy. I sure hope Panasonic releases their version pretty soon. In my opinion, Sony has become quite gimmicky and consumerish within the past year. Just look at the recently released HC1000, which replaces the TRV950. No one seems to like it, not that I would want it anyway, but I can't wait for these HD cams to come out. What the hell, why is my mouth watering?
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It looks quite good, but it's not a true 24p cam
I like the body, pretty sexy. I sure hope Panasonic releases their version pretty soon. In my opinion, Sony has become quite gimmicky and consumerish within the past year. Just look at the recently released HC1000, which replaces the TRV950. No one seems to like it, not that I would want it anyway, but I can't wait for these HD cams to come out. What the hell, why is my mouth watering?T-1000
taubkin
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True, the real dealbreaker might be the next panasonic HD Tapeless cam. But I fear that not being able to save the raw footage (buying tons of memory cards don't seem like a viable solution right now) could be just too much of a change in workflow...
I think that this Sony cam will demonstrate the true power of the HDV codec, just as we could say the VX1000 did for MiniDV. There's a whole other issue if the HDV codec will fill such a large gap that DV did when it was introduced. It's certainly a wait 'n see.
True, the real dealbreaker might be the next panasonic HD Tapeless cam. But I fear that not being able to save the raw footage (buying tons of memory cards don't seem like a viable solution right now) could be just too much of a change in workflow...
I think that this Sony cam will demonstrate the true power of the HDV codec, just as we could say the VX1000 did for MiniDV. There's a whole other issue if the HDV codec will fill such a large gap that DV did when it was introduced. It's certainly a wait 'n see.
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..probably not a good thing if its their own format. for sure at first, cause well all likely be waiting around for NLE support like when 24p first came out. but if its better than mo powaz to them.. as long as i can use it in a current editing environment. like if it encoded to WM9 id be happy.. as long as i could edit it when it comes out, and output as a standard hi def format without "biting dog butt" on the conversion . lol
Hopefully if they use their own format it will be similar to something like "Prospect HD" format to convert it without any noticeable loss of quality from its original uncompressed HD state. that way well likely get to keep more of the lattitude we love, and not suffer from all the icky conversion and compression to the other options, while still having resonable storage sizes that could go to tape or drive on the camera.
..probably not a good thing if its their own format. for sure at first, cause well all likely be waiting around for NLE support like when 24p first came out. but if its better than mo powaz to them.. as long as i can use it in a current editing environment. like if it encoded to WM9 id be happy.. as long as i could edit it when it comes out, and output as a standard hi def format without "biting dog butt" on the conversion . lol
Hopefully if they use their own format it will be similar to something like "Prospect HD" format to convert it without any noticeable loss of quality from its original uncompressed HD state. that way well likely get to keep more of the lattitude we love, and not suffer from all the icky conversion and compression to the other options, while still having resonable storage sizes that could go to tape or drive on the camera.
Barry_Green
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Yeah, it's just so noticeable that they're the only major manufacturer who didn't sign on to the HDV spec. And Panasonic's earlier DV history showed them with a propensity to "go their own way"... for example, they used 4:1:1 on DVCPRO in PAL, when all other DV formats in PAL were 4:2:0...
Will they go their own way, or will they sign on to HDV? Or will they ignore it and put their faith in SD instead of consumer HD?
Yeah, it's just so noticeable that they're the only major manufacturer who didn't sign on to the HDV spec. And Panasonic's earlier DV history showed them with a propensity to "go their own way"... for example, they used 4:1:1 on DVCPRO in PAL, when all other DV formats in PAL were 4:2:0...
Will they go their own way, or will they sign on to HDV? Or will they ignore it and put their faith in SD instead of consumer HD?
Ernest_Acosta
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Give us more resolution like what the xl2 has, a 16X zoom (may be interchangeable lens) and native 16:9 for the next version of the DVX and I will be happy.
Give us more resolution like what the xl2 has, a 16X zoom (may be interchangeable lens) and native 16:9 for the next version of the DVX and I will be happy.
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.. i wouldnt really mind so much still having an SD camera if it had the comparable resolution and features of the SDX900. cause even the DVX already makes a good film out. but i want to be able to go to 2.35:1 , and its a big pixel count hit for the DVX to take.. its not so bad after a photozoom pro session though. but HD res will handle it well, so by golly i want HD res.. dont we all? all the big stuff is done in HD now anyway.
it is weird that they didnt get onboard though cause sister company JVC is onboard. perhaps panisonic is going to just going to use real HD? which would be awsome if it was kept at the same pricepoint as the HDV competitors albeit the money for storage capacity, and hardware for processing it. but the propriatary thing scares me a little.. in any case Im sure they will compete in some manner.
JAN ? if you like, your free to come over for dinner any time, and my wife and I will treat you to a great Wisconsin bribe...uh i mean meal. ...yeah... a meal where you tell me all you know..
.. i wouldnt really mind so much still having an SD camera if it had the comparable resolution and features of the SDX900. cause even the DVX already makes a good film out. but i want to be able to go to 2.35:1 , and its a big pixel count hit for the DVX to take.. its not so bad after a photozoom pro session though. but HD res will handle it well, so by golly i want HD res.. dont we all? all the big stuff is done in HD now anyway.
it is weird that they didnt get onboard though cause sister company JVC is onboard. perhaps panisonic is going to just going to use real HD? which would be awsome if it was kept at the same pricepoint as the HDV competitors albeit the money for storage capacity, and hardware for processing it. but the propriatary thing scares me a little.. in any case Im sure they will compete in some manner.
JAN ? if you like, your free to come over for dinner any time, and my wife and I will treat you to a great Wisconsin bribe...uh i mean meal. ...yeah... a meal where you tell me all you know..
Ernest_Acosta
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Yeah Jan, we know Panny is secretly planning and developing the "Mother of All" DVX-es.
P.S. I am a pretty good cook as well. ;D
Yeah Jan, we know Panny is secretly planning and developing the "Mother of All" DVX-es.
P.S. I am a pretty good cook as well. ;D