Sony HDV Cam
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Michael Summers
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you seen the pics right? there was a working model at nab, so i expect its nearly finished and they're waiting for the hd revolution to take place. if i had to guess, next summer.
you seen the pics right? there was a working model at nab, so i expect its nearly finished and they're waiting for the hd revolution to take place. if i had to guess, next summer.
Michael Summers
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Re: Sony HDV Cam
i have read they do have a working model. whether or not it was at nab, i dont remember maybe im wrong, but i know there have been people (consumers) who have seen demos of a working prototype.
i have read they do have a working model. whether or not it was at nab, i dont remember maybe im wrong, but i know there have been people (consumers) who have seen demos of a working prototype.
nullphonic
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Re: Sony HDV Cam
[quote author=ccroo link=board=Offtopic;num=1092889785;start=0#4 date=08/19/04 at 11:11:25]Even if it isn't 24p, won't it be a big deal? Wouldn't you folks want one? A three chip HDV camcorder with XLR imputs?
Raoul[/quote]
In one word: "hellyes"
HDV, 3 CCD, quality audio inputs, image control. Probably going to be sick expensive though :-[
[quote author=ccroo link=board=Offtopic;num=1092889785;start=0#4 date=08/19/04 at 11:11:25]Even if it isn't 24p, won't it be a big deal? Wouldn't you folks want one? A three chip HDV camcorder with XLR imputs?
Raoul[/quote]
In one word: "hellyes"
HDV, 3 CCD, quality audio inputs, image control. Probably going to be sick expensive though :-[
nullphonic
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I don't think so (imo). HD is still so not-accepted by the masses regarding home viewing, DVD's capable of holding that amount of data (and the players) are still in design/pre-production.
Film outs? Sure, the DVX may take a hit there but I feel that it has a long life ahead of it at this point and even beyond the landing of HD. Up-res techniques will get even better and better also so there's always the option of sticking with what you know and still being able to take advantage of HD. (even major studios will want to up-res there old catalogs (imo) so that equals better and better products/technology available for SD -> HD upgrades)
35mm didn’t kill 16mm either, I think that’s kind of a good analogy
I don't think so (imo). HD is still so not-accepted by the masses regarding home viewing, DVD's capable of holding that amount of data (and the players) are still in design/pre-production.
Film outs? Sure, the DVX may take a hit there but I feel that it has a long life ahead of it at this point and even beyond the landing of HD. Up-res techniques will get even better and better also so there's always the option of sticking with what you know and still being able to take advantage of HD. (even major studios will want to up-res there old catalogs (imo) so that equals better and better products/technology available for SD -> HD upgrades)
35mm didn’t kill 16mm either, I think that’s kind of a good analogy
Z
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Re: Sony HDV Cam
[quote author=ccroo link=board=Offtopic;num=1092889785;start=0#4 date=08/19/04 at 11:11:25]Even if it isn't 24p, won't it be a big deal? Wouldn't you folks want one? A three chip HDV camcorder with XLR imputs?
Raoul[/quote]
I dont know about that... My first DVX has 400 hours on it and zero of those where shot in 60i... seriously.
But, I dont shoot for TV, so maybe im just a 24p Snob
[quote author=ccroo link=board=Offtopic;num=1092889785;start=0#4 date=08/19/04 at 11:11:25]Even if it isn't 24p, won't it be a big deal? Wouldn't you folks want one? A three chip HDV camcorder with XLR imputs?
Raoul[/quote]
I dont know about that... My first DVX has 400 hours on it and zero of those where shot in 60i... seriously.
But, I dont shoot for TV, so maybe im just a 24p Snob
J.R. Hudson
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I have never ever even checked out anything other than 24p. Weird? I think not. I am a 24p snob.
I have never ever even checked out anything other than 24p. Weird? I think not. I am a 24p snob.
Re: Sony HDV Cam
[quote author=Jarred Land link=board=Offtopic;num=1092889785;start=0#8 date=08/19/04 at 20:49:18]
I dont know about that... My first DVX has 400 hours on it and zero of those where shot in 60i... seriously.
But, I dont shoot for TV, so maybe im just a 24p Snob
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If I had a 24p, I would do the same. Since I have a 25p, I only use that. 50i, just reminds me of my Digital-8 camera.
All the best
Fidel.
[quote author=Jarred Land link=board=Offtopic;num=1092889785;start=0#8 date=08/19/04 at 20:49:18]
I dont know about that... My first DVX has 400 hours on it and zero of those where shot in 60i... seriously.
But, I dont shoot for TV, so maybe im just a 24p Snob
[/quote]
If I had a 24p, I would do the same. Since I have a 25p, I only use that. 50i, just reminds me of my Digital-8 camera.
All the best
Fidel.
ChuckS
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Re: Sony HDV Cam
[quote author=nullphonic link=board=Offtopic;num=1092889785;start=0#7 date=08/19/04 at 11:40:52]I don't think so (imo). HD is still so not-accepted by the masses regarding home viewing, DVD's capable of holding that amount of data (and the players) are still in design/pre-production. [/quote]
If you went into Best Buys, The Good Guys (add your favorite store name here) in California to purchase a TV the first thing you would probably notice is that it is increasingly difficult to find a 4x3 SD CRT anywhere. The overwhelming majority of sets being sold here are 16x9 HD (capable) TV sets.
HD DVD players are already working and shipping in parts of the world. The hold up here in the states is the agreement of a standard – this is a little like VHS vs. Beta. The challenge is that one type can be used in existing DVD players and the other cannot, which also means that all of the duplication equipment would need to be upgraded or replaced. Nevertheless, HD DVD’s are already being released; in fact, more than 90 percent of SD DVD’s are now down converted from HD masters.
It is hard to predict what effect HDV will have on those of us with DVX100’s, not much I expect in the near term. HDV is not HD in much the same way that DV is not 601, but that hasn’t stopped millions of DV enthusiasts from producing some great stuff. What I find exciting is that people who use DV cameras have had enough of an effect on manufacturers that they are now designing professional equipment that resembles their prosumer products – not the other way around…
[quote author=nullphonic link=board=Offtopic;num=1092889785;start=0#7 date=08/19/04 at 11:40:52]I don't think so (imo). HD is still so not-accepted by the masses regarding home viewing, DVD's capable of holding that amount of data (and the players) are still in design/pre-production. [/quote]
If you went into Best Buys, The Good Guys (add your favorite store name here) in California to purchase a TV the first thing you would probably notice is that it is increasingly difficult to find a 4x3 SD CRT anywhere. The overwhelming majority of sets being sold here are 16x9 HD (capable) TV sets.
HD DVD players are already working and shipping in parts of the world. The hold up here in the states is the agreement of a standard – this is a little like VHS vs. Beta. The challenge is that one type can be used in existing DVD players and the other cannot, which also means that all of the duplication equipment would need to be upgraded or replaced. Nevertheless, HD DVD’s are already being released; in fact, more than 90 percent of SD DVD’s are now down converted from HD masters.
It is hard to predict what effect HDV will have on those of us with DVX100’s, not much I expect in the near term. HDV is not HD in much the same way that DV is not 601, but that hasn’t stopped millions of DV enthusiasts from producing some great stuff. What I find exciting is that people who use DV cameras have had enough of an effect on manufacturers that they are now designing professional equipment that resembles their prosumer products – not the other way around…
disjecta
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Re: Sony HDV Cam
[quote author=iamloser link=board=Offtopic;num=1092889785;start=0#12 date=08/20/04 at 11:43:50]..ive never shot anything other than 24p either. i wouldnt say im a snob.. i just dont do the sort of thing that would call for 60i at all . [/quote]
Ditto for me. Unless a gun is held to my head, 24P is the only way I'll shoot.
[quote author=iamloser link=board=Offtopic;num=1092889785;start=0#12 date=08/20/04 at 11:43:50]..ive never shot anything other than 24p either. i wouldnt say im a snob.. i just dont do the sort of thing that would call for 60i at all . [/quote]
Ditto for me. Unless a gun is held to my head, 24P is the only way I'll shoot.
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I shot 60i on a project where it was what the guy wanted. He liked it better. Not for ME to say he's all messed up in the head . . . :
I shot 60i on a project where it was what the guy wanted. He liked it better. Not for ME to say he's all messed up in the head . . . :
Re: Sony HDV Cam
I went to a very small tradeshow here in my hometown on Saturday, and now that I think of it, I may have seen this Sony HDV camera of which you speak.
I didn't really focus on it, but what I saw was a small form factor, smaller than the DVX100, with a lens which looked like one of those 8mm projector lens tubes. The camera had a tan/coppery color metal casing, no lens hood, and I can't remember what kind of viewfinder or LCD it had on it.
It was hooked directly to an HDTV Sony monitor of about 27 inches in screen size. Unfortunately, across the aisle were about 9 or 10 studio-sized HDTV cameras of various configurations, you know, large enough that it takes a couple guys to move them around a studio. These big cameras were the attention getters, and have every possible lens and doodad that you can possible dream of to make their images look fantastic. So I kind of passed over the little Sony camera, and didn't really evaluate the image it presented.
However, I can say that the image was definately hidef, though it looked a little washed out, and had a flatness (probably due to the small lens size and consequent lack of depth of field) which pinged my subconscious. It also could be that the lighting conditions were not ideal, that some ignorant dweeb had just handled the camera before I got there, etc.
This camera also looked like it had no tape mechanism, and so was built with the assumption you are going to have some sort of external media capture device. I didn't even get close enough to see what kinds of inputs and outputs the camera had.
But it looked to me like the built-in lens was going to be a serious limitation of the camera. On the other hand, my first impression upon seeing the camera was that it was some sort of specialised remote camera designed for surveillance and the like, which just happened to capture HD.
So there ya go. I was more interested in handling the XL2 they had there, and had even brought my own tape to stealthily capture some footage, but they had an elaborate mini35 rig with a huge Cooke lens on it, and I just didn't think that it would be a fair comparison with our favorite camera. FYI, I thought that even with the uber lens, the mini35 really softened the image annoyingly, although it did deliver on depth of field quite well.
I went to a very small tradeshow here in my hometown on Saturday, and now that I think of it, I may have seen this Sony HDV camera of which you speak.
I didn't really focus on it, but what I saw was a small form factor, smaller than the DVX100, with a lens which looked like one of those 8mm projector lens tubes. The camera had a tan/coppery color metal casing, no lens hood, and I can't remember what kind of viewfinder or LCD it had on it.
It was hooked directly to an HDTV Sony monitor of about 27 inches in screen size. Unfortunately, across the aisle were about 9 or 10 studio-sized HDTV cameras of various configurations, you know, large enough that it takes a couple guys to move them around a studio. These big cameras were the attention getters, and have every possible lens and doodad that you can possible dream of to make their images look fantastic. So I kind of passed over the little Sony camera, and didn't really evaluate the image it presented.
However, I can say that the image was definately hidef, though it looked a little washed out, and had a flatness (probably due to the small lens size and consequent lack of depth of field) which pinged my subconscious. It also could be that the lighting conditions were not ideal, that some ignorant dweeb had just handled the camera before I got there, etc.
This camera also looked like it had no tape mechanism, and so was built with the assumption you are going to have some sort of external media capture device. I didn't even get close enough to see what kinds of inputs and outputs the camera had.
But it looked to me like the built-in lens was going to be a serious limitation of the camera. On the other hand, my first impression upon seeing the camera was that it was some sort of specialised remote camera designed for surveillance and the like, which just happened to capture HD.
So there ya go. I was more interested in handling the XL2 they had there, and had even brought my own tape to stealthily capture some footage, but they had an elaborate mini35 rig with a huge Cooke lens on it, and I just didn't think that it would be a fair comparison with our favorite camera. FYI, I thought that even with the uber lens, the mini35 really softened the image annoyingly, although it did deliver on depth of field quite well.
ddh
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1080
1080
For an intro to this cam go to:http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,10705782^15841^^nbv^,00.html
I read about the release in this mornings Japanese newspaper. The above site has some info in english. It's a 1080i cam (not 24p it seems) uses MPEG2 compression with 3CCD 16.9 aspect ratio, and 14-bit A/D converter. The price in today's paper said 400,000yen - that's about the same price as the DVX-100a. Sounds very interesting!
1080
For an intro to this cam go to:http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,10705782^15841^^nbv^,00.html
I read about the release in this mornings Japanese newspaper. The above site has some info in english. It's a 1080i cam (not 24p it seems) uses MPEG2 compression with 3CCD 16.9 aspect ratio, and 14-bit A/D converter. The price in today's paper said 400,000yen - that's about the same price as the DVX-100a. Sounds very interesting!