Sony FS100 vs EX1R vs NX5U

On the subject of RnG lenses I have narrowed down to..

nikkor 17-55 for the FS or Nikkor 14-24 for the AF

The price is fairly equal, but the second lens has more uses beyond this camera and is of finer build quality, but somwhat hard to protect

S
 
Id evaluate your balance between 'must get now' real life once only shots and shots where you have a little time to put thought and planning into the shot

Think through the implications of doing a lens change including reajustment of the Matte Box you will need (because of the lack of ND on the FS)

Imagine you are doing this handheld in a situation like the street where you are not allowed to put anything down and you have a moody director with you

If your clients can tolerate that faff then get the FS,

The AF will negate the need for a Matte box (and cost)

The EX will negate the need for any of those gizmos

Again if you shoot as part of a multicam team it will change because your FOV maybe predefined

Maybe you can hire an EX when you need one and are being paid

Maybe you want to make indy flicks with you camera at the weekend

You have to choose the right tool for your work/life style

Maybe hang on to your cash until the next wonder cam, maybe understand the value of what the F3/AF100 will bring you in the production/live environment

maybe try and pick up a vid cam for $1000 having sold you DSLR...

I really dont know what I should do, let alone you !
 
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Another random thought:

The EX1R has the following which FS does *not*:
- Intervalometer (timelapse)
- Slow shutter (which, used with above = wonderful timelapse)
- Cache Record
- Good lens built in & always 'ENG' ready
- Remote zoom control on tripod pan bar
- Easy chromakey even considering 4:2:0 nature of rushes (FS may be fine, tho')
- Handles low light to bright light, within seconds
- 'Infinite' record times using A/B card swaps
- Absolutely fine as a 'working alone' camera

If all my gear was lost and I'd have to start again, I'd start with an EX1R because of the kind of work I do. It's handled everything I've asked it, and my frustrations with it are only to do with wide angle shots, talking heads (except chromakey) and beauty shots. I've had a DSLR to do all that over the last year, and it's delivered, but the WB, shot duration, viewfinder fogging and camera overheating issues are killing me.

But in order to get a big-sensor kit to do what the EX1R does, I have to travel with two bodies (FS100 and T2i), two power systems (with issues over charging late into the night), so I can get timelapse and stills from the T2i, and everything else from the FS100. It also means travelling with four heavy lenses: Tokina 11-16, Canon 2.8 17-55, 50mm 1.4, 70-200 2.8. Then there's the issue of no zooming during a shot, no 'zoom in, focus, zoom out' with most lenses... these are the 'costs' associated with the Shallow DoF look.

I have a feeling you're going to go FS100, but the EX1R is still a wonderful instrument, and a cheap little T2i added soon afterwards may treat you better than it did me. For me, let's say... the T2i has paid for its self and has earned enough to be replaced with an FS100, so I currently have the luxury of having both. You may find that, if you went this route, your T2i or 60D might earn you enough to replace it with an FS100 next year?

But the bottom line is - your choice.
 
Our OP has a DSLR already I think.

Me? Im thinking to just buy the FS100 and Keep the EX1 - I cant afford it but so be it

S
 
morgan_moore said:
On the subject of RnG lenses I have narrowed down to..

nikkor 17-55 for the FS or Nikkor 14-24 for the AF

The price is fairly equal, but the second lens has more uses beyond this camera and is of finer build quality, but somwhat hard to protect

S
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The 14-24 has way better build quality. I have the 17-55. It is very handy, but wish I had known better when I got the DX2 that FF would be coming down the pike.
 
Indeed Ive avoided DX lenses (apart from the 10.5) thus far but at some point covering the whole (FF) sensor becomes too much of a design compromise in this RnG lens range

You can also see the compromise in getting a bit more tele - see the size of cine lenses like the Red 18-80

Can you tell me if the 17-55 extends and goes floppy like a canon 24-105 when it is at 55


Or is is a fixed lenghth like the 14-24 24-70

this is important because I want to zoom without bashing into my ND ! (this is wh I think this might be 'the' FS100 RnG lens

Also how is the focus travel ?

Thanks

S
 
Personally l thing the corporate and event market is moving to the more shallower depth of field eg a sexier look for the same market as bog standard EX1r, lve had EX1 - EX1r at present Canon FX305 and FX 105 all fab cameras, but there just tools. Its the look that counts and being professional. I think in 6 months or a year the guys with the new look super sensors will win out on the commissions over the old. The writing on the wall. Have an option on the FS100 for next week and l guess its about 90% certain l'll go for it.

Got so great Nikon manual lenses, NDs no problem just get Genus ND filter with various step down rings.

I also think that big zooms from 28mm to 528mm eg canon though fab, don't really help the creative view point.
 
Although not considered great, the 18-200 kit zoom is probably good enough to emulate the 'video look' of a small chip camera, combined with the insane low light capabilities, this should work for the less controlled situations. and then with good primes you can achieve the cinema look with the same camera package. You'll have to consider what your shooting style is, if you absolutely need a smooth power zoom then you need a real video cam. If you can get away with losing part of a shot to reframing, then you can work with a large chip camera with a cheap zoom. I personally never use a zoom as part of a shot if I can avoid it, I'll cut it out if possible, just because I don't like the style, even if it is live. For important things it is best to have two cameras anyway.
 
morgan_moore said:
Can you tell me if the 17-55 extends and goes floppy like a canon 24-105 when it is at 55

Or is is a fixed lenghth like the 14-24 24-70

this is important because I want to zoom without bashing into my ND ! (this is wh I think this might be 'the' FS100 RnG lens
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No wobble but the inner barrel does extend out past the outer barrel at wider and longer lengths....

morgan_moore said:
Also how is the focus travel ?S
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a little more than a quarter turn

morgan_moore said:
Thanks
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thank you! I love reading of your posts!
 
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