F55: Sony FE 28-135mm zoom early feedback

JPNola

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Some of you have received this lens. What are your impressions of the lens?

Of most interest to me is the focusing action. Is the focusing action similar to that of the kit lens for the Ex3? Is there a true focus end stop? How is the focus throw? Does the focus feel manual or feel more electronic like that of the Sony E-mount glass? How is the focus breathing on the lens? I assume the lens does not trombone when focusing. That is, the front element remains in place and does not extend when focusing as does the front element on the Canon EF 24-70mm.

Because I ordered the camera and lens separately I will not receive my pre-ordered FE 28-135mm until well into January if not in February. Sony is filling pre-orders of Fs7 with lens before they fill orders of lens alone. As many of us have learned first hand, the date that Sony says a product will be "released" has little to do with when you can actually obtain the product. I naively thought that Sony would make the new product equally available in Japan, Europe, and North America. But the manner in which the Fs7 became available indicates that the way it works is that Japan get's the new product first, then Europe, and then North America.

I thought I would be okay with the lens only being an f/4. But after using an f/2.8 Canon zoom alongside Sony f/4 zooms I have come to the conclusion that having an f/2.8 lens is very advantageous over an f/4 lens. Not just for the increased ability in low light but for that super-shallow focus look which is the main reason clients want S35 cameras. f/2.8 on S35 is quite a special look that just can't be achieved with f/4 glass, imo.
 
The lens is fine for what it is. I don't have it, but played with it for a longer period of time.

- It doesn't extend when zoomed out/in
- MF is very similar to the EX3 lens
hard stops when in MF mode
- focus throw is reasonable long (160 deg if I remember correctly)
- there is breathing - not that bad that you should worry about it
if you don't shoot fiction

All in all I liked the lens a lot for what it is but found the focal range
totally inappropriate. 28mm on S35 is much too long for a R+G lens
for me. I need something around 18mm.

That's why I use a Canon 17-55/2,8 IS on a Smart adapter or a
Canon 24-105/4L IS on a Speedbooster (16-72/2,8).
Both extrude while zooming and share a very short focusthrow.
I can live with that until something better is available.
I'd love a Canon 24-120/4 IS with a longer focus throw and put it
on a speedbooster...
 
I second what Erik is saying. The Canon 24-105 f4 L on a Speed Booster which becomes a 17-75mm f2.8 on a Super 35mm is a pretty great lens. It's definitely my go-to run and gun lens. The 17-55mm f2.8 EF-S is decent as well, but getting the extra 20mm on the L lens is really nice. I.S. is nice on both lenses.

Yes, the zoom extends, but for run-and-gun I rarely use a matte box so it's not a huge issue. The focus throw on the L lens is a bit longer than the EF-S lens and there's also just a nicer image quality on the L lens. Can't quite put my finger on it, but it just has a more pleasing look. The mechanic on the L are much better as my EF-S has developed major creeping in the zoom. No focus ring hard stops kind of sucks, but my Lanparte follow focus (which is really great BTW) does have hard stops, so it fixes that.

I do feel Sony really missed the mark with the FE. 28mm is way too long as the widest option and f4 is a huge difference from f2.8 which is really the needed sweet spot. I personally would not get it. It's kind of a pain because I'm #3 on the FS7 cue at Samys, but they got a shipment of FS7 + kit lenses and no bodies. I'm wondering who's getting the kit lens as it's pretty expensive and not that useful.
 
I've ordered with the kit lens. The glass quality is good and I think it will be useful in some situations. Of course, if I decide I don't like it, I could easily sell it immediately since it is a hot item for A7S shooters and will not ship as a retail stand-alone item until February. Still assessing what I am going to do for EF glass. I love my Tokina 11-16. And debating a Canon 24-105 with Speedbooster.

Ned Soltz
 
One "advantage" to the 24-105 (besides the good build) is its a little bit soft wide open in 4k. Which helps in 4k with faces. It's not as clinical as, say, the Sony Zeiss 55m F1.8 which is super sharp.
 
It has hard stops in MF? That's the first time I've heard of that- I've had reservations about using the lens due to the fly-by-wire system and variable turn ratio on the focus ring. If the lens does have hard stops, then is the lens able to produce repeatable focus marks?
 
I don't think the fly by wire is the 28-135 . That's the 18-105. Haven't seen the 28-135 though.
I've been testing a Canon 24-105 and it has some nasty flare problems ,though it could be that its an early model and there was recall from Canon. I've asked Canon if the serial # fits but haven't gotten an answer. Any one else have flare on that lens? At night if I walk under my overhead chandelier I get a massive flare down the center of the lens. And I'm nowhere it on the image.
I've heard very good things about the Sigma 24-105 . Supposed to be sharper and 1/2 stop faster than the Canon even tho nominally the same f stop. Not par focal tho. Should get it in a week or so.
 
Correct, Lenny. The 28-135 is not fly by wire. You make a good point that users should beware of older Canon 24-105 with the flare

Ned
 
So Ned , are you saying that sounds like an early bad one ? maybe I should get a different 24-105 to compare to sigma. .
 
I've been testing a Canon 24-105 and it has some nasty flare problems ,though it could be that its an early model and there was recall from Canon. I've asked Canon if the serial # fits but haven't gotten an answer. Any one else have flare on that lens?

No flare on my Canon 24-105 (or not any worse than any other lens of mine), but I got it about 2 years ago so it's probably after the recall. Nice lens.
 
Per Canon, any lens with date code beginning UT and subsequent digits less than 1000, then the lens is subject to flare issues.

These are lenses from 2005 and earlier

Ned
 
I read that, but this lens says UB . I emailed Canon tech support and haven't gotten a reply. Is UB earlier than UT?
 
At a recent FS7 event in Boston, I mentioned to Juan Martinez that the Sony FE 28-135mm zoom is nowhere near wide enough at the wide end. He said in a definitive voice, "we know." I took that to mean, "we're working on it, there's something in the pipeline." But he never said that.
 
I think 28 to 135mm is a great range. Yes you need something to cover the wide-end. But I probably only shoot wider than 28mm 2-3% of the time (granted I shoot primarily narrative). If the focus is repeatable on this, then I'd LOVE to get one in an FZ mount. There's plenty of work I could use it for.

Switching out for a wide lens on a master isn't a big deal - it's switching between mid-wides, mids and telephoto lenses for mid-shots and close-ups that seems to take up the bulk of my lens changes.
 
My guess is Juan has been hearing that from the get go repeatedly and I wouldn't be surprised if he told them that in design stage. Fundamentally these are designed in Japan.
Mel Medina who was on a similar level within Sony USA told me when the F3 was being designed he begged them not to use the same rear viewfinder that had on the EX-1 and he cried when he saw the F3.
 
i read that, but this lens says ub . I emailed canon tech support and haven't gotten a reply. Is ub earlier than ut?

ub: 2013

a = 2012, 1986, 1960
b = 2013, 1987, 1961
c = 2014, 1988, 1962
d = 2015, 1989, 1963
e = 1990, 1964
f = 1991, 1965
g = 1992, 1966
h = 1993, 1967
i = 1994, 1968
j = 1995, 1969
k = 1996, 1970
l = 1997, 1971
m = 1998, 1972
n = 1999, 1973
o = 2000, 1974
p = 2001, 1975
q = 2002, 1976
r = 2003, 1977
s = 2004, 1978
t = 2005, 1979
u = 2006, 1980
v = 2007, 1981
w = 2008, 1982
x = 2009, 1983
y = 2010, 1984
z = 2011, 1985
 
Well that's weird - it certainly flares though. I guess I should still try another one as a few people have told me their's doesn't . B&H has a refurb , presumably that's been tested?
 
Guys,

I used 5-6 different 24-105s within the last years.

All of them flare easily. That's the weak point of the long focal
range and the relatively wide end while maintaining an f4 throughout the
whole range at the same time.

As far as I know, Canon never changed the optical formula and the coatings
of this lens. It already has a flare stopper built in, but this doesn't help.

It's always there and that's why I use the 17-55/2,8 most of the time now.
Here what the flare looks in really bad conditions:

Stradill-flare1.jpg

Even here:

Stradill-flare2.jpg

I already tried to reduce the flare by closing the lens down 1 stop or more,
while already recording at 6400ISO, 1/25s on the FS100. I have to admit I didn't
use a matte box, but only the original lens hood and some handmade french flag-
adjustable via the mic-mount... (please don't tell anybody about this).

2014-06-24_14-43-51_115.jpg

It looks much better without the speedbooster though, but then again the range
isn't that attractive. The 24-70/2,8L MarkII and the EF-S 17-55/2,8 are much better
in this regard.

The problem seems to be the combination of the Speedbooster and the 24-105 which
flares easily because it's built like it is. I don't think that this is a question of new or
old lens.
 
Here is a list of questions I have for the current owners of the kit lens, hope you will be able to help...I am tempted to drop my FS7 preorder just now and save up to buy the camera with kit lens as I can use it with A7s as well. The price of the lens alone is quite steep (2500GBP alone compare to 1500GBP if bought with FS7)

The question is more to deal with the handling, manual focus and iris ring.

How is the build of the lens? Does it feel like a professional lens and can take a beating or does it feel plastic/fragile? Were you impressed?
How does it compare to the something like the Sony SCL-Z18X140 or the Red Zoom 18-50?

How does the manual focus of the lens feel? Is the feedback instant or is there a delay like the zoom ring? Is it comfortable to pull smooth critical and repeatable focus with the manual focus ring?

Is the distance scale display in the VF helpful? Does it display the distance down to very fine unit? I used to have a panasonic HMC151 which has a great zoom and focus ring, and display the focusing distance down to 0.1meter, very helpful for repeatable focus and had saved me a lot of time.

How does it perform shooting against flare?

How responsive is the iris ring, instant feedback or delayed?

Thanks!
 
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