Sony F65 (continued from Reduser)

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http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?63105-Sony-F65-in-January-I-d-still-take-the-Epic!


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The F65 is to expensive for the hobbyist at 65,000 USD, but it does show the industry moving towards releasing more 4k cameras.

Red has competition, so they may have to start being a little more responsive, with a little less of an exclusive attitude, but who knows.

We've seen the Canon hair dryer looking 4k prototype, so we know Canon has the tech to make a 4k camera. Hopefully Canon will jump in the market with something prosumer for those loving the 5d Mark II, but wanting something without compression problems.
 
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Sure RED shook up the market, but that doesn't mean that they should be the end all be all. More competition can only mean good things for the consumer.
 
tired said:
if RED hadn't given the market such a shakeup - would the F65 even exist?
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Hell Yes! Do you really think Red is responsible for shaking up the market? Its a big world out there.... Arri has been a big part of it for long time and so has Sony.
 
You also need to get the SRR4 SR memory recorder. The package with that, EVF & camera is $85K - so teh cost goes up a bit to get a full package.
 
If the 14 stops DR, full res 4K out and 120fps are all true.... this is one beast of a camera.

I give some props to RED for pushing the price down on the top end stuff... but a 4K Sony camera was always gonna happen, they produce the vast majority of 4K cinema projectors and will no doubt be pushing 4K into the home. They also produce films, so know what the industry wants.
 
tired said:
if RED hadn't given the market such a shakeup - would the F65 even exist?
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Yes. It would have.

BTW, it did. It was called 35mm celluloid film, 4k scan. :P (half joking)

I'll give Red credit for accelerating the process to make 4k acquisition the norm... but it would have happened with or without them. They just pushed hard on it... and even still... three years later after the R1... is your TV 4k? No. Is the movie you watch in the theater 4k? For 80% of America, it's not. So yes... Red helped really push the industry to 4k... but I still think they were ahead of their time... which is good, i suppose. I really enjoy big screen formats (4k, 35mm prints, 70mm prints, etc) This Sony F65 is on time, imo... because it's priced and aimed at the top of the market film productions and they are the only ones who stand a chance to display 4k right now... $65,000 is a great deal for a professional production. That is what it is made for, and that's a long way from the $250,000 Sony F900 for StarWars Episode1.

Soon we'll see 4k norm for display everywhere, but it's definitely not today, and it's certainly not tomorrow.
 
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-4k-camera-ship-january-231635

The camera body & EVF are $65K and it looks like the (presume it's required as per the HDCamSR backend on other CineAltas) SRR4 SR memory recorder is another $20K - plus cost of media etc. So wonder how much the basic $85K will increase with other add-ons.

The $65K bit seems to be grabbing more headlines...

http://www.sony.co.uk/biz/product/4kcinematographycamcorders/f65/features - specs on the UK site... would presume they're on the US site too :)

I like the look of this though, it seems to lend itself to h/h with it's more traditional form factor.
 
BrianMurphy said:
Hell Yes! Do you really think Red is responsible for shaking up the market? Its a big world out there.... Arri has been a big part of it for long time and so has Sony.
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Okaaaay...so why weren't Arri and Sony on the ball sooner? And why are their cameras still so huge?
 
Maybe Sony and Arri didn't think digital 4K was relevant until 4K projectors were widespread enough to start making money from 4K content.

How much of the stuff that gets shot on RED gets shown, or will ever be shown, in 4K?

I think the timing is about right... 4K is gonna be mainstream in cinemas and a buzz word in the consumer world. 4K content will be in demand and Sony (and I think Arri) will soon have cameras to create that content... the Sony looks set to trump Epic on DR and noise, but will be more costly and larger... It is your choice what is more important.

Regarding the size of the camera... not everyone wants to shoot on DSLR sized cameras.... the F65 looks great in terms of ergonomics. I've not had the pleasure of using the Alexa, but the people I know say it handles beautifully. Arri are also bringing out Epic style "heads" that will contect to the main body via a wire... probably for the 3D market. No doubt sony will have something up there sleave for 3D too.

Anyway... competition is good and by 2012, I expect you will be able to buy great 4K cameras from RED, Sony and Arri.
 
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Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
I'll give Red credit for accelerating the process to make 4k acquisition the norm... but it would have happened with or without them. They just pushed hard on it... and even still... three years later after the R1... is your TV 4k? No. Is the movie you watch in the theater 4k? For 80% of America, it's not. So yes... Red helped really push the industry to 4k... but I still think they were ahead of their time... which is good, i suppose. I really enjoy big screen formats (4k, 35mm prints, 70mm prints, etc) This Sony F65 is on time, imo... because it's priced and aimed at the top of the market film productions and they are the only ones who stand a chance to display 4k right now... $65,000 is a great deal for a professional production. That is what it is made for, and that's a long way from the $250,000 Sony F900 for StarWars Episode1.

Soon we'll see 4k norm for display everywhere, but it's definitely not today, and it's certainly not tomorrow.
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Of course Ryan, but their whole shtick from the get-go was pushing 4k acquisition. I think they (RED) all realize that 1080p was a necessary stepping stone for delivery, but they shun the idea of 1080p for acquisition as ever being good enough.
 
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