Andrew Stone
Veteran
I agree with the above speculation about Canon having something new in the offing. The deep discount 3 months before NAB is a strong indicator that this could be the case.
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F3: Sony F3K advice
- Thread starter stupla
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Finn Yarbrough
Well-known member
$10,000 is too much to spend on a used F3, unless you absolutely need those PL lenses. I suspect it's also too much to spend on the C300, especially WITHOUT lenses.
Your'e in a tricky position, though, since your investment is in Canon glass. I use legacy Nikon glass on an F3, so I can control the aperture manually without the lens communicating with the camera. In order to use your Canon glass on the F3, you would need a more expensive adapter, Metabones I think. HOWEVER: depending on what lenses you have for the 7D, they may not cover the sensor area of either camera, which would put you back at square 1. Are your lenses Full Frame, or APS-C?
The FS100 is all right, but with no ND filters built in, you may have some trouble Doc shooting. This can be personal preference, buy I use them all the time, and was the #1 reason that I didn't buy the FS100.
Both cameras are super top-end, image-wise, and it's hard to lay a firm claim on which is "better." They're also equally awkward, and despite what others have said, about the same size and weight. So do a careful analysis of how much extra money you will have to spend on media, glass, and whatever else, and see which comes out on top.
Here's a pretty good deal, with a KiPro thrown in to boot: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PMW-F3...rofessional_Video_Cameras&hash=item1c3ae8b17a
But there are plenty more cropping up on E-bay if you keep your eyes open.
And, finally, buying ANY camera with an eye to resale value is a terrible idea and you will always be disappointed! The only camera that holds its value is the one that hasn't come out yet.
Your'e in a tricky position, though, since your investment is in Canon glass. I use legacy Nikon glass on an F3, so I can control the aperture manually without the lens communicating with the camera. In order to use your Canon glass on the F3, you would need a more expensive adapter, Metabones I think. HOWEVER: depending on what lenses you have for the 7D, they may not cover the sensor area of either camera, which would put you back at square 1. Are your lenses Full Frame, or APS-C?
The FS100 is all right, but with no ND filters built in, you may have some trouble Doc shooting. This can be personal preference, buy I use them all the time, and was the #1 reason that I didn't buy the FS100.
Both cameras are super top-end, image-wise, and it's hard to lay a firm claim on which is "better." They're also equally awkward, and despite what others have said, about the same size and weight. So do a careful analysis of how much extra money you will have to spend on media, glass, and whatever else, and see which comes out on top.
Here's a pretty good deal, with a KiPro thrown in to boot: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PMW-F3...rofessional_Video_Cameras&hash=item1c3ae8b17a
But there are plenty more cropping up on E-bay if you keep your eyes open.
And, finally, buying ANY camera with an eye to resale value is a terrible idea and you will always be disappointed! The only camera that holds its value is the one that hasn't come out yet.
Andrew Stone
Veteran
You ought to be looking at Return on Investment, ROI in your purchase and the utility the camera will bring to your business and your workflow efficiency. Many of the people who ditched their F3s did so in order to please clientele who would probably be jonesin for 4K output or would look dimly on owner/operator using a camera that isn't at the vanguard of what's available.
If the F3 is going to allow you to deliver the goods and effectively save you money in terms of workflow, ROI and so on then it could be a smart investment if you can make a bunch of money on it in a short time. The F3 over the FS700 has 12 volt power (most powered accessories are 12 volt), good and easy to use audio controls for one-man band work and a solid subframe in the camera that can support a lot of external weight around the camera and particularly in front (the lens). It also has lots of video outs on it that allow you to easily configure external recorder, external monitor, EVFs from mid-range quality to high end.
One of the big issues with all these cameras is the cost of the rigging to make them usable on both tripod and over the shoulder. I think it is fair to say most will spend between 2 and 3 grand on gak (accessories) to get their camera to the point where it is where they want it for shooting. The good thing about the rigging is, you can move the majority of it to a new camera, so you are only buying once with most rigging gear.
It is in many cases good to spend 10 grand and lose 4 of value in year that to spend 20 and loose 10 in a year, unless that 20 grand is going to get you better paying clients and work you can get out the door faster. Any camera is a bad investment right now. It's all a matter of degree with which camera you are talking about.
If the F3 is going to allow you to deliver the goods and effectively save you money in terms of workflow, ROI and so on then it could be a smart investment if you can make a bunch of money on it in a short time. The F3 over the FS700 has 12 volt power (most powered accessories are 12 volt), good and easy to use audio controls for one-man band work and a solid subframe in the camera that can support a lot of external weight around the camera and particularly in front (the lens). It also has lots of video outs on it that allow you to easily configure external recorder, external monitor, EVFs from mid-range quality to high end.
One of the big issues with all these cameras is the cost of the rigging to make them usable on both tripod and over the shoulder. I think it is fair to say most will spend between 2 and 3 grand on gak (accessories) to get their camera to the point where it is where they want it for shooting. The good thing about the rigging is, you can move the majority of it to a new camera, so you are only buying once with most rigging gear.
It is in many cases good to spend 10 grand and lose 4 of value in year that to spend 20 and loose 10 in a year, unless that 20 grand is going to get you better paying clients and work you can get out the door faster. Any camera is a bad investment right now. It's all a matter of degree with which camera you are talking about.