Sony cancels the release of The Interview

Batutta said:
There is only one reason the North Koreans gave a crap about this, and that's because Sony is a Japanese owned company. That the North Koreans and Japanese hate each other is putting it mildly. This is why Paramount was able to release Team America without a peep.
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Ted Ramasola said:
My take is, Sony in particular is scared more damaging emails or data would be released. But as far as viewers getting harmed for going to the theaters? Bah.
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Sony is a Japanese company and I've heard news reports on the radio yesterday that very senior government ministers leaned on the Sony CEO who leaned on the US entertainment division CEO to make this go away. Japan is within rocket range of North Korea.
 
ugafan said:
Please turn in your copies of Team America so they can be burned at a temperature of 451 degrees fahrenheit.
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451 degrees Fahrenheit is the ignition point of paper. The ignition temperature of a polycarbonate plastic DVD would be somewhere in the vacinity of about 580 degrees (F), I believe.
 
Batutta said:
LOL...Maybe there's a new job market for 90's era technology expert. I'd have that job locked.
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I have a large number of typewriters... but even after Snowden's revelations, I've not seen an uptick in US government typewriter purchases... Perhaps Sony, being a 'private' company, will do things better than a government...
 
pkw11 said:
That's just wrong and oversimplified beyond belief. First, the North Koreans are not liked by anyone. Second, to make a sweeping generalization about Japan like this speaks of your total ignorance to the legitimate complaints that Japan has with North Korea. For example, the ongoing saga of kidnapped Japanese by the North Koreans.
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Please don't insult people like that when we are having open discussions. I don't see him making a "Moral Equivalency" argument. It IS a fact that they don't like each other. We can argue about the reasons - but the fact that they don't like each other is not a sweeping generalization nor is it a moral equivalency argument. My wife is Japanese and the first thing I thought (having some background on some of the discussions about the country's relationships) was exactly the same thing...it has a lot to do with North Korea vs Japan in THEIR minds...and that's what matters when we are looking for reasons for the incident.
 
pkw11 said:
That's just wrong and oversimplified beyond belief. First, the North Koreans are not liked by anyone. Second, to make a sweeping generalization about Japan like this speaks of your total ignorance to the legitimate complaints that Japan has with North Korea. For example, the ongoing saga of kidnapped Japanese by the North Koreans.

To equate any "hatred" that the Japanese have to the North Koreans with the insanity coming from North Korea is an exercise in moral equivalency gone mad. The Japanese don't hate Koreans (north or south). You might think they do, but most Americans don't know much about anything when it comes to Asian countries, attitudes, politics or history.
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Yeah, I made a sweeping generalization, but I think my point is still true that Sony being a Japanese owned corporation is why North Korea couldn't let this stand. Perhaps hatred was the wrong word to use, but its not overstating things to say diplomatic relations between the two countries has been SEVERELY strained over the past several decades.
 
pkw11 said:
Considering the fact that this board exists because of a product that was designed, built and made in Japan, the level of ignorance about Japan is shocking. Having been born and raised in Los Angeles it's still surprising how completely dumb Americans are to everything Asian. Growing up "Made in Japan" was a slap in the face and insult to everything Japanese. Then there was the open hostility towards Japanese cars starting with the first oil crisis.

You would think that Japan would have gained some level of respect or whatever over the past few decades, given that they're a superpower country economically. Instead, Americans have just transferred their insults to the Chinese. "Made in China" is a replay of an old tune.

Wake up, the world has changed and Americans haven't and we're being left in the dust. By the Asians. Take some time to become educated about Asia--it's a very complex place and most Americans are clueless.
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You're overreacting. My comments weren't about attitudes of one group toward another. They were about how the respective governments viewed each other. I could see how you misinterpreted them because I used the words hatred, but I wasn't speaking about racial attitudes. How people behave to each other and how governments relate are different things. My fault for being careless with what I posted.
 
pkw11 said:
just because your wife is Japanese doesn't mean you understand a thing about the Japanese.
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I totally agree. But saying that the reason for Sony's current situation might be because of the tension between the 2 countries is the same thing as your watermelon and chicken analogy is the very problem in erroneous equivalency that you are accusing others of using. One is racist, one is not.
 
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Batutta said:
And I'll be surprised if this thread lasts the night.
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Ha - I agree.
A quick note about "generalizations." People often say, "Oh no, you are generalizing and that is unacceptable." People often think generalizing is the same thing as stereotyping. Not so. Generalizing can be a good thing and help us get through life (it includes learning from your mistakes). Of course, stereotyping (i.e. unfounded beliefs) are not.
 
cyclone said:
I totally agree. But saying that the reason for Sony's current situation might be because of the tension between the 2 countries is the same thing as your watermelon and chicken analogy is very problem in erroneous equivalency that you are accusing others of using. One is racist, one is not.
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Look, I can see why he got upset, as re-reading what I posted someone could easily get the idea I was talking about racism, when that's not what I meant. I was talking about the tense political situation between the two countries that goes back decades. I'd be upset too if someone said all of my people are racist towards another group.
 
In before 404...

The issue here is not Japan/North Korea, but the use of terrorist extortion to effect certain results. In this the 'hackers' have succeeded in their goal, if the goal was to prevent this film from being widely distributed in theaters.

I do think there are significant questions about how the hackers gained access to Sony internal documents. Which really would only helps someone who had some suit filed against Sony, and needed some sort of grounds for getting a 'fishing license' for their court case.

There have been any number of films which have been picketed, threatened, on a variety of subjects, yet the studios have continued to distribute them, and in some cases may have used the adage 'there's no such thing as 'bad' publicity'... since getting any mention of a film for 'free' is unpaid advertising.

I think there may be a couple of films next year with titles like "Alan Smithee Goes to Pyongyang"... Perhaps Denis Rodman could play the part of Alan Smithee...
 
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pkw11 said:
Ignoring the fallout from this terrorist attack would be like ignoring Pearl Harbor in 1941. Something big has just changed in the world.
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Hyperbole alert... surprise attack of a country being equated with something that is more akin to industrial espionage, hacking and ID theft.

pkw11 said:
First, the North Koreans are not liked by anyone.
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You mean "like" like Facebook? Looking at it in terms of friends and friendly relations (not politics, of course), they are friendly with Cuba, Russia, Venezuela (who are all in the news this week, coincidentally) among others.

Batutta said:
And I'll be surprised if this thread lasts the night.
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And yet here it is, still active- taking it to the brink, the very precipice of annihilation of a thread (MAD- Mutually Assured Deletion), and the super powers, I mean posters, pull it back from the brink... and apologize. Well done, and perhaps a lesson for the world?

Back on topic- make it a free download. Then Kim can add it to his father's collection of 20,000 VHS movies...
 
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