Sony announces HVR-V1u, 1080p, 24p, 30p, 60i

If sony makes a surprise revalation that this new camera is actualy true 1920x1080 with a 4:2:2 color rendering I might change my mind.

As for mini-cinealta... :) ...I think this camera is what they feed the cine-alta when it's hungry.

I'm not saying this is a bad camera. On the contrary I really think it'll be a very good camera...but when you think about the overall cost/benefit ratio when compared to other brands...it makes me have my doubts.
 
rawfa said:
If sony makes a surprise revalation that this new camera is actualy true 1920x1080 with a 4:2:2 color rendering I might change my mind.
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Why do people keep thinking that? Sony has clearly spelled out what it is. 960x1080 CMOS chips, interpolated to 1920x1080x4:2:2 for internal processing, and downrezzed to 1440x1080 for output. There is no 60p that you can get out of it, there is no 1920x1080 that you can get out of it. There won't be any surprise announcements, they've already made announcements in their brochure.

It is what it is. It has at least two unique features going for it: HDMI output (which may be thought of as a poor-man's HDSDI maybe?) and CMOS sensors. But the chips are 1/4" (whether that matters or not is up to the final image) and they're not gonna magically grow in size. It's HDV, which means it's not magically gonna become 4:2:2 anywhere along the process of recording to tape or disk. It's 1440, not 1920, and that's not gonna change.
 
i'd like to see a 4:2:2 cam like the hvx with a 1440x1080 chip + canon knee circuits for the blacks performance and lowlighting + sony colorimeter.. why not?

960x540 is low lower..
 
the problem is their highend.. that's why i'm with red.. these sony or matsushita are mafia.. canon don't have highend.. don't have interests to protect..

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but i'm sorry because it seems canon hd logo is as far as grainy/noisy..
 
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The fact that they are actually including a "Digital Zoom Extender" is unfortunate... I'm sorry, but on a prosumer camera, there is no place for crappy digital zoom. The fact that they even put it there makes me worry a bit about the quality of the other features. I suppose I'll have to wait and see. I'm still looking forward to seeing some footage, especially at low light (which Sony has always seemed to do well with in the past).
 
filmmaker1977, if you have absolutely no interest in the V1U, then you are invited to stop participating in this thread. We do not condone people coming in and bashing a particular product, calling these companies "mafia" is unwelcome, harping on chip pixel count when it's been conclusively proven to deliver comparable sharpness is unwelcome.

What you're doing now is called "threadcrapping". We do not condone it. Please stop it.
 
I think this is a very interesting camera. I like that it's smaller and lighter than the Z1/HVX/A1/G1. The HDMI has uncompressed 1080 4:2:2 (AFAIK). That's huge considering Blackmagic just announced their $250 Intensity HDMI card. Early reports on picture quality by three different guys at DVInfo are very promising and even Mikko's stealth footage of the V1e looked pretty nice (for trade show footage).

The slick hybrid recording is great for a tape archive and HDD recording. CMOS might have a potential for better dynamic range because you can address each pixel. RED ONE uses a CMOS so that might tell you something. CMOS also uses less power so the batteries last longer. It also has an iris ring and possibly usable slow motion and digital zoom features. Word is that the digital zoom works differently than what people are use to and it actually maybe usable--something about the way the CMOS ClearVid pixels are arranged they can get more info out of it.

But I wish the lens was wider like the A1/G1. And the Canons have that Instant Focus and the A1 list price is $800 less. It's going to be tough deciding between the two for me.
 
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If you look at how Sony prices things, they offer the Z1 for sale at $6000 and you can pick it up at B&H for $4200 or so. I'm guessing we'll be able to pick this camera up for the price of the DVX100b or less. Also, Canon's list price is what the actual price is at B&H.

For my money, the V1 is the best in the business, at least until I've had a chance to test it out. The Z1 is great, and I've used EVERY single low-cost HD camera thus far, except the newest JVCs, which I will be able to test soon. I've used the HD10, FX1, Z1, HD100, HVX200, and the XL H1. I like the Z1 the best. I also use the DVX100a almost daily.

heath
 
Barry_Green said:
filmmaker1977, if you have absolutely no interest in the V1U, then you are invited to stop participating in this thread. We do not condone people coming in and bashing a particular product, calling these companies "mafia" is unwelcome, harping on chip pixel count when it's been conclusively proven to deliver comparable sharpness is unwelcome.

What you're doing now is called "threadcrapping". We do not condone it. Please stop it.
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i just express my opinion and the basis of our societies is the free speech.. however, i can even understand you.. besides that i'll respect, you're wrong.. i'm just doing a comparision on the offer.. and on the budget.. why small cameras from the "majors" if we have the indy red?..

it's a mere thought.. useful.. there are people over here.. and some info is better rather the silence on the subject..

conclusion: why less if it's possible more and they don't deliver?.. call it what you wish.. in my book, that's the name.. but i'll will be silent as far as you won't read.. :laugh: at least, over this board where you rule just because you're a mod.. :beer:

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sony rules.. :evil:
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about my V1U and previous care posted all over this board, i add another link from another member that i had prepared even before you came:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=695222&postcount=13
 
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The point is, if you have nothing positive to add and only want to bash, that type of behavior is rude and is simply not welcome here (regardless of claims of "free speech".)

And frankly, I can think of some reasons would prefer a $4800 camera over a $17,500 (without lens) camera. In fact, I can think of about 12,700 reasons why.

So the point is: let the V1U interested parties discuss their chosen tool unmolested, without references to the manufacturing company being "the mafia", okay?
 
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The point is, if you have nothing positive to add and only want to bash, that type of behavior is rude and is simply not welcome here (regardless of claims of "free speech".)

And frankly, I can think of some reasons would prefer a $4800 camera over a $17,500 (without lens) camera. In fact, I can think of about 12,700 reasons why.

So the point is: let the V1U interested parties discuss their chosen tool unmolested, without references to the manufacturing company being "the mafia", okay?
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Barry,

Thanks for posting that. I'm not here to bash cameras, and I pretty much like every offering out there. This is a board to talk about specifics and though it's fun to armchair quarterback new cameras, it's not fair until we get a good look at it.

heath
 
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If you look at how Sony prices things, they offer the Z1 for sale at $6000 and you can pick it up at B&H for $4200 or so. I'm guessing we'll be able to pick this camera up for the price of the DVX100b or less. Also, Canon's list price is what the actual price is at B&H.

For my money, the V1 is the best in the business, at least until I've had a chance to test it out. The Z1 is great, and I've used EVERY single low-cost HD camera thus far, except the newest JVCs, which I will be able to test soon. I've used the HD10, FX1, Z1, HD100, HVX200, and the XL H1. I like the Z1 the best. I also use the DVX100a almost daily.

heath
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If you are right then I would reconsider before going with the A1. But I seriously doubt it. Of course, this is all conjecture until we can see and evaluate more footage and functionalities form these new cameras (the "functions" section on the sony website is not even available yet)
 
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And frankly, I can think of some reasons would prefer a $4800 camera over a $17,500 (without lens) camera. In fact, I can think of about 12,700 reasons why.
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I totally agree and it doesn't even have to do with the price. Just because RED ONE may have the ultimate picture quality, doesn't mean every other camera out there now is a POS. Like Jim Jannard said, you use the right tool for the job and RED ONE is NOT appropriate for every job. Without getting too OT, I think a lot of people will be in for a huge wake up call when they step up to 2K/4K S35 digital cinematography and discover their camera operating skills aren't quite there.
 
from first the first look the V1 looks pretty good. I would like to see it under $4,000. Maybe Sony will do that to sink the Canon A1.

I long will it take for Sony to go from a "suggested price" to a real price?
 
Like Jim Jannard said, you use the right tool for the job and RED ONE is NOT appropriate for every job.
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Exactly. And there's plenty of room in the marketplace for products at all levels and price points and feature sets. But to come in and bash and say (effectively) "you're all fools for thinking about this product or that product, just get a RED instead" is insulting to the thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of individuals who may have very good reasons for being interested in this specific product.

Just like I find it incredibly condescending and rude and arrogant and dismissive whenever someone comes in and says "you're all stupid for even thinking about cameras, it's all about the STORY, it's only the STORY that matters." If someone truly feels that way, why don't they just write stories? Or direct plays? Plays give you actors and stories and you don't even have to worry about cameras and lines of resolution, right? Sheesh. Give the people some credit, we're all intelligent individuals around here and we're certainly entitled to discuss our favorite tools without someone coming in and telling us we're all stupid for doing so.
 
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Zim said:
I long will it take for Sony to go from a "suggested price" to a real price?
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Sony doesn't. Their dealers do (unlike Canon with the XLH1 where they apparently enforce a strict MSRP-only policy).

Sony quotes an MSRP. It's up to the dealers to decide what to sell it for. The Z1 was launched with an MSRP of $5946. From the very beginning dealers sold it for $4900, I doubt anyone ever paid a penny over $4900 for a Z1. If (and this is wild speculation) but IF the margins and policies stay the same, that might mean a street price for the V1U of around $3960. And if (and this is equally wild speculation) but IF Canon sticks with MSRP-only pricing for the XH series like they do for the XLH1, then that would mean a street price for the A1 of about $3999. Which puts these two similar products priced very competitively in the marketplace.
 
The more we talk about this the more I feel like waiting to see what Panasonic and JVC will do. I have no doubt Panasonic will raise the roof, but I read some very disturbing reports on JVCs' financial situation. Aparently they are almost bankrupt. I read some other company was taking over but they would keep the JVC name. They said they were hope to recover by selling DVDs!!! This is not a joke. This could be the perfect oportunity for them to come out swinging. If they play their cards right and put out a good enough camera with the right price this could mean big big bucks for them.
 
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Just like I find it incredibly condescending and rude and arrogant and dismissive whenever someone comes in and says "you're all stupid for even thinking about cameras, it's all about the STORY, it's only the STORY that matters." If someone truly feels that way, why don't they just write stories? .
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Hahaha. Touché, Barry. :thumbup:
 
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