Sony Affordable 35mm is here, finally! SONY PMW-F3 a 35mm XDCAM EX
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Well, when the F3 is released in January, 2011, you can opt to buy the Scarlet instead. It'll be available, right? Right?
BobbyMurcerFan
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Sorry but I couldn't help but laugh a little when I read that. It's like one of those newspaper headlines that could have come from any year, decade.
I've seen footage shot on an ex-1 that looked way more slick and beautiful vs. footage shot on a RED that looked flat and uninteresting.
Beyond a certain technical competency, the camera doesn't matter as much as the lighting, lenses and yes, talent.
Will I purchase an F3 to get a technical edge on my competitors who have the AF-100? Probably yes. But will my footage necessarily look better? No. Same as if I bought a RED M-X. Your camera will only go so far to make your movie look good. Codecs, 4:2:0 vs. 4:2:2 vs RAW, don't get hung up on that stuff. It's more of a level playing field technically speaking than you would think.
Beyond a certain technical competency, the camera doesn't matter as much as the lighting, lenses and yes, talent.
Will I purchase an F3 to get a technical edge on my competitors who have the AF-100? Probably yes. But will my footage necessarily look better? No. Same as if I bought a RED M-X. Your camera will only go so far to make your movie look good. Codecs, 4:2:0 vs. 4:2:2 vs RAW, don't get hung up on that stuff. It's more of a level playing field technically speaking than you would think.
You're really going to buy one of these when for $8k more you can get 120fps in 5K raw? At the core... this camera is about 5-7% better than a T2i on technology standards. If you really feel that a big-ol' "Pro" body is that important, than be my guest.
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Paul V Doherty
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Bye-bye Scarlet
Can't wait for Canon to come to the party !!!!!!!!
Can't wait for Canon to come to the party !!!!!!!!
Ryan Patrick O'Hara
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If anyone is in NY tomorrow and wants to play with the F3:
http://www.fdtimes.com/news/?p=2947
or
http://nao.sonyelectronicscommunity.com/
http://www.fdtimes.com/news/?p=2947
or
http://nao.sonyelectronicscommunity.com/
Michael Olsen
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Do go on.
Joe Walker
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No 60fps in 1080..... I'll pass.
BobbyMurcerFan
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No aliasing + better resolution + minimal rolling shutter + PL mount + longer record time + HD-SDI + Timecode in and out + Genlock + XLR inputs + the stuff I've missed = .07 * T2i. Well new math is certainly still being taught.
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Sometimes, the mind just boggles.
Not so. According to the Preliminary Product Information page, 60p (59.94p) will be available though 3G-SDI: "3G-SDI is available for 10bit RGB 1080 23.98/25/29.97PsF or 10bit 4:2:2 1080 50/59.94P output."
It get what he's saying. In the end, it's all about the picture the camera can make, and little else. And the T2 is very capable of making pretty pictures. Time record lengths are a total non-issue for 99 percent of all narrative films. Film cans usually last no more then 12 minutes. Film cameras don't have XLR inputs. Lots of very nice (albeit usually older) film cams don't have time code.
Point is, all of those things mentioned make dedicated video cameras easier to use in the field - a great bonus to be sure and a big reason why film is dying, but also easy enough to overcome with very tried and true, inexpensive methods. No distributor is going to ask you if your camera was easy to use, or if it had XLR inputs...
They'll care about who's in it and if it looks professional enough to market. DSLRs - and presumably the AF100 - have already been able to do that - all for many thousands less this new Sony. Tough to know with seeing pictures, or having hard specs in front of you, but the new Sony certainly feels like a baby-step forward in terms of tech, while costing (if prelim numbers hold) a disproportionate amount more for that tech.
Lots of new cams coming down the line, many of which will either offer more for around the same price, or do 80-95 percent of what the new Sony will does for 3 or 4 times less. Not an argument about the camera, merely it's place in the market.
Point is, all of those things mentioned make dedicated video cameras easier to use in the field - a great bonus to be sure and a big reason why film is dying, but also easy enough to overcome with very tried and true, inexpensive methods. No distributor is going to ask you if your camera was easy to use, or if it had XLR inputs...
They'll care about who's in it and if it looks professional enough to market. DSLRs - and presumably the AF100 - have already been able to do that - all for many thousands less this new Sony. Tough to know with seeing pictures, or having hard specs in front of you, but the new Sony certainly feels like a baby-step forward in terms of tech, while costing (if prelim numbers hold) a disproportionate amount more for that tech.
Lots of new cams coming down the line, many of which will either offer more for around the same price, or do 80-95 percent of what the new Sony will does for 3 or 4 times less. Not an argument about the camera, merely it's place in the market.
T2i: 1080p 24/30fps / 720p 60fps - S35 sensor - 45mbps H.264, Long GOP
Sony F3: 1080p 24/30fps / 720p 60fps - S35 sensor - 25mbps XDCAM, Long GOP
Then only real advantages of the Sony are on-board audio and better external capture options. So that's why I ask the question... Is Sony serious?
Finally... Thank you. I was starting to think I was going insane.
Again, I'm not saying the T2i is better camera. I'm saying that in the year 2010, if you're going to sell a camera in the $20k price point, it better have higher fps, resolution, and colorspace than a $800 camera at Best Buy (again, not ragging on the Rebel, because it's a very capable camera as stated before).
Sony F3: 1080p 24/30fps / 720p 60fps - S35 sensor - 25mbps XDCAM, Long GOP
Then only real advantages of the Sony are on-board audio and better external capture options. So that's why I ask the question... Is Sony serious?
Finally... Thank you. I was starting to think I was going insane.
Again, I'm not saying the T2i is better camera. I'm saying that in the year 2010, if you're going to sell a camera in the $20k price point, it better have higher fps, resolution, and colorspace than a $800 camera at Best Buy (again, not ragging on the Rebel, because it's a very capable camera as stated before).
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Right, because 1080p is equal on every single video camera...
Yea the Canon's are a little soft. But are they $19,000 soft? And yes they have ailiasing and moire... but those are things a camera just shouldn't have in the first place. It's a weakness in the Canon DSLR's... not a selling point for other cameras than don't have it. For $20k the Sony should at least be shooting some form of 2k compressed RAW or at least a 4:2:2 codec to the internal recorder.
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