Canon has a full frame 1080p camera ME20F-SH. ISO 4,000,000. It's $19,999 at B&H.
Sony A7SIII = $3500, 10-bit 4K120p internal, 16-bit 4K60p RAW out
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ahalpert
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If Sony launches a 10bit 4k60 24MP A7IV next year for $2000 it would sting a little.
Although the S3 will still have faster RS and higher fps and ISO. The 4K APS-C crop is cool option though.
I think it comes down to if you need a camera now. Which I do, to replace my lumix S1. If you can afford to wait for the next release, then maybe you dont need a new camera at all
Although the S3 will still have faster RS and higher fps and ISO. The 4K APS-C crop is cool option though.
I think it comes down to if you need a camera now. Which I do, to replace my lumix S1. If you can afford to wait for the next release, then maybe you dont need a new camera at all
i also wonder how good the A7IV will be. i have the A7III and i think its a banging good camera for a fairly moderate price. i wonder when we might see that announced. i have the A7III, 1DXmkII and A7sII plus a host of other HD cameras and camcorders. im in no hurry and not very busy so i dont have a burning need for the new A7sIII although...i want it from a lust POV. i undoubtedly will take my time and hopefully the A7IV will hit the scene as another option.
Bassman2003
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The A7sIII is the 1st 10bit hybrid Sony has released. I would wonder if they will keep the other models at 8bit or go all 10bit like Panasonic? If the A7IV is a 10bit camera, it will be a solid choice as the stills resolution will be higher. The A7sIII kind of does not need the super sensitivity imho as other cameras like the Canon R-series have a pretty large useful ISO range. To me, the standout feature of the A7sIII is the overall package offering being a video centric approach (although the lack of waveform and shutter angles is odd) rather than its light gathering ability. So this would make me wonder how much video goodness they will bake into the A7IV? Is it going to be all out or market segmentation?
Am I suppose to dispute him or just deputize for him?
ahalpert
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Smaller HDMI port on a7iv. No 4k120. No all-I codecs. Slower RS. No RAW out. boom - differentiation
Samuel H
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Looking at this that I posted a couple of pages back, I totally expect the a7 IV to have 10-bit, but it may not have 4k 60fps, and the DR may be similar to the a7III (that is: if there's an improvement on the a7S III, it may not translate to higher-Mpix sensors)
Seems like the a7c is keeping the same 8-bit recording specs from the a7III:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explor...sony-a7c-full-frame-capture-in-a-compact-body
Maybe that's not a huge surprise, since the a7c likely shares the same sensor and processor (and menu system) as the a7III in a slightly smaller body.
The key question for the a7 IV is whether Sony uses the newer processor (and perhaps thermal design) from the a7S III. If they do that, then I'd guess that the a7 IV will likely have some form of 10-bit recording although the frame rates may be more limited depending on what the sensor is capable of. A higher megapixel, more photography-oriented sensor in the a7 IV will likely have a slower sensor readout speed.
Up until the a7S III the video specs of the low-power processors used in the Sony mirrorless camera bodies just weren't capable of 10-bit encoding. This is why they had so many camera releases over a 5-year period with largely the same encoding specifications.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explor...sony-a7c-full-frame-capture-in-a-compact-body
Maybe that's not a huge surprise, since the a7c likely shares the same sensor and processor (and menu system) as the a7III in a slightly smaller body.
The key question for the a7 IV is whether Sony uses the newer processor (and perhaps thermal design) from the a7S III. If they do that, then I'd guess that the a7 IV will likely have some form of 10-bit recording although the frame rates may be more limited depending on what the sensor is capable of. A higher megapixel, more photography-oriented sensor in the a7 IV will likely have a slower sensor readout speed.
Up until the a7S III the video specs of the low-power processors used in the Sony mirrorless camera bodies just weren't capable of 10-bit encoding. This is why they had so many camera releases over a 5-year period with largely the same encoding specifications.
Samuel H
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My expectations were low, and still they managed to disappoint.
As "a7III in a slightly smaller body", I actually like it. And it's cheaper than the a7III so no complaints about the price from me either. But it's too late for the specs: 4k 30 fps with an 8-bit codec will not get my $$$$ anymore.
As "a7III in a slightly smaller body", I actually like it. And it's cheaper than the a7III so no complaints about the price from me either. But it's too late for the specs: 4k 30 fps with an 8-bit codec will not get my $$$$ anymore.
puredrifting
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They're just copying the silver XT-3. Fuji did this 2.5 years ago! ;-)
ahalpert
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Yes but not the rangefinder-like corner EVF which is cool and maybe helped keep the top of the body flat
Run&Gun
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Lemme guess... Millennial? ; )
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Yes but doesn't everyone appreciate something a bit vintage-looking even in a small way? I mean, I'm not buying the camera and certainly wouldn't just because I liked the body aesthetic
You mean like the Fujifilm X-E1 from 2012?
This kind of black and silver design has been a throwback trend for a while now. And I'm not actually sure that it ever really went out of style. Leica made available some version of this color scheme on pretty much every version of their M-series rangefinder cameras from 1954 up until today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_M_mount