Sony A7SIII = $3500, 10-bit 4K120p internal, 16-bit 4K60p RAW out

Correct, it removes the guesswork. It would be nice if it does have the gyroscope info in metadata but skimming through the video I think I just imagined it as I couldn't find any info on it.
 
Carlos Morillo said:
Correct, it removes the guesswork. It would be nice if it does have the gyroscope info in metadata but skimming through the video I think I just imagined it as I couldn't find any info on it.
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Hmm maybe it doesn't have it. But basically all the other rumors came true
 
NorBro said:
As of a few months ago, it was only Catalyst-based.
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My gut instinct is that whatever the FX9 can do will gain broad NLE compatibility ere long. For me personally it's not a huge issue. I would buy the R5 or A7SIII even without any stabilization. And I might have bought the P6k with pdaf
 
Supposedly it would be on Sony to build the plugin/provide support as Apple or Adobe (etc) are not going to do it (how it's always worked in the past).

But yeah, if I had a FX9 I'd be annoying them for the last 12 months for FCP X.
 
NorBro said:
Supposedly it would be on Sony to build the plugin/provide support as Apple or Adobe (etc) are not going to do it (how it's always worked in the past).

But yeah, if I had a FX9 I'd be annoying them for the last 12 months for FCP X.
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Hmm. Lame. We'll see.

In any event, sony has taken the 2 drawbacks of their mirrorless cameras that kept me from buying and fixed them - the codecs and the color
 
ahalpert said:
The b&h product launch video has leaked - https://youtu.be/Fbw_JTFMCXo
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Blown away! Togather with the BRAW through Video Assist this could be the ultimate workhorse. Great 4k picture with tons of dynamic range, great rolling shutter, auto focus, no overheating, operator friendly body and RAW with manageable files sizes (thanks to BRAW) - it will be the goto camera for the next few years. Can't wait until experienced operators post reviews of this little thing!

Any firm idea re: price? If it's under 3k - I can easily predict they'll own the market!
 
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Blown away! Togather with the BRAW through Video Assist this could be the ultimate workhorse. Great 4k picture with tons of dynamic range, great rolling shutter, auto focus, no overheating, operator friendly body and RAW with manageable files sizes (thanks to BRAW) - it will be the goto camera for the next few years. Can't wait until experienced operators post reviews of this little thing!

Any firm idea re: price? If it's under 3k - I can easily predict they'll own the market!
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estimate is $3500. i am considering prores raw with shogun 7 myself :)
 
How are the ProRes RAW datarates compared to BRAW? Unless you're a Final Cut user, looks like BRAW makes more sense in terms of cost and support at the moment. As a BlackMagic owner, I'd kill for good AF and automatic features when filming events or when I don't have time to setup the shot properly. Of course, the BM cost one grand, this is three times the price - so it's not a fair comparison. But if I could afford to spend 3 or 4k on a camera plus recorder I'd jump on the Sony A7SIII in a heartbeat.

When's the actual 'official' announcement? Again hope the price is not too high, and that BlackMagic will support the camera on their recorders - killer combo!
 
announcement at 10AM EST. prores raw is about 680Mbps for 4K 24p but it's a variable bitrate. prores raw hq is about 1.5x that. i'm a fcpx user, so it tilts the scales. but no matter what, if i buy the camera i will start out recording internally and consider raw later. i don't own a shogun. (and no one has firmware to record a7siii raw yet anyway)
 
That makes sense - the internal recording is probably excellent and can be graded heavily too - seeing the high bitrates and being 4:2:2. The fact that 16bit RAW is available with the addition of a recorder will entice buyers who've used RAW previously (such as myself) and don't want to exclude using it in the future. Again, from what was said in the video, this looks like it will be THE CAMERA for Wedding and event shooters. Can you immagine having two assistants running around with a leaf blower and ice packs during a wedding reception? (see Canon R5 thread) :)

EDIT: Watching the B&H video again in HQ (thanks to ahalpert) the samples look far better then anything posted in the RED Komodo thread... maybe it's just the built in grading / colours or the operator was more skillful - but setting aside resolution 4k / 6k etc - this A7SIII images are heads and shoulders above the RED. Above this camera, thinking rationally, it's diminishing returns - and seeing the cost and caveats of filming in 8k with the new canon, or 6k with the cheaper BM but without auto-focus etc - it looks like this camera hits all the sweet spots for those who want a workhorse camera - as opposed to gloating on specs.... I stand to be corrected of course!
 
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haha - i was sort of hoping maybe the tilta cage fan could keep the r5 cool. but still, that's kind of a crazy solution. i've been thinking for a while that i would probably buy one of these cameras. the canon cripple hammer has made the choice easy. some people are complaining about a lack of 6K or internal RAW. i just want a FF camera with good AF, great low-light, fast rolling shutter, 10-bit 4:2:2 150+Mbps, no heat problems... i think i could use this camera for a long time. half my stuff still shoots in HD so i don't think i'll NEED 6k/8k anytime soon. we still need to see the price and more footage but so far so good.
 
Thanks for posting the video. Impressive. I am still hung up on the price though. This should be $3,000 as it is low on the stills side and RAW video is not internal. Great camera but I see it as a FF GH series type of camera. Add the overpriced XLR adapter and you are pushing close to $5,000 without any lenses. How good is it compared to what else you can get for $5,000?

Comes down to IBIS and AF in the end doesn't it?
 
Bassman2003 said:
Comes down to IBIS and AF in the end doesn't it?
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Well, you can't get a stable FF 10-bit video camera with good AF for less than $11k besides this one.

It's also nice to have a small body to run around with on my Ronin-S. An fx6 or C200 are a bit less gimbal friendly even before you consider IBIS.

And for me personally, I don't need much from it re:stills and I probably won't need to feed XLR mics into it.

I think they're pricing this relative to the S1H. True, the S1H has a 6K sensor and some high-end video features (that I don't need). But the S1H can't compete in AF. Good AF is one of the main things I'm looking for in my next purchase.

We will see what the exact price is. I'm hoping I can camp on this camera for 5+ years (am I too optimistic?). If it can be a long-term investment then a few extra hundred bucks won't kill me.

I think this camera does what I need without some of the exciting features of the R5 and S1H. But it seems reliable and has good AF. Codecs seem good and I like the fact that it does a full readout and downsamples to HD. I still shoot a lot of HD.

I do, however, get the feeling that they capped its resolution to limit its appeal to photographers and hybrid shooters. But it works out for me.

Early days yet - we'll know more soon
 
Well, given the Canon R-series issues with heat, the limits of the hybrid body are showing their true nature. High MPX does not mix well with high video resolution. When I think of what I need for video compared to stills, FF is not as important to me for video. After seeing these two recent releases, I am really hoping for a solid GH6 camera. A GH6s with IBIS would be quite a contender if priced at $2,500 Basically, I think it is totally plausible for the GH6 to completely offer everything the A7SIII is offering. The GH5 has a lot of it already. If the GH series can bring its AF up a notch it will be fine for most uses.

If the way I used these cameras was more static, then Z-cam or a Pocket would be the way forward imho. But handholding and gimbal use is a large part of it all. Makes it more of a challenge to find the best fit.

Great choices these days!
 
Run&Gun said:
Remember the menu on the D600? Since it was one of the first DSP cameras with a ‘paint menu’, the menu system was a bajillion pages deep AND you could only advance through it linearly with a click switch. There was no bi-directional scrolling with a rotary encoder. If you went past the page you needed, you had to circle all the way back around. If I had a dollar for every time I clicked that menu advance switch, I could have retired 20 years ago.
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Oh yes. Back in the day, I pretty much had an engineer set up our Betacams and other than white balance, BB, Clear Scan, I didn't deal much with the deep menus, just the normal operational stuff.
You kind of needed to be an engineer, looking at scopes to deal with a lot of those settings. Even today's worst menus are leagues better than what we dealt with in the 90s and early 2000s.
 
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DLD said:
What is this, a bottle of Stoli?

No, really. Off the specs, it is going to be a good camera, just not the cutting edge in any particular sphere. Well, maybe the AF will be at or near the top of its class. (because Panasonic crippled its AF on S1H)

But, off the same specs, it also looks devoid of any egregiously inept choke points. And a worry free operation is worth something too.
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To me, the camera just working in every situation I would ever shoot in is worth a LOT more than any unnecessary raster size, frame rate or spec.
The R5 and 6, regardless of all of the bells and whistles, are quite limited in how they can be used and can be counted on to work. Fine for photgraphers
and hobbyists who dabble with video, but for people who use them hard in professional video situations, especially exteriors, events, documentary,
they don't appear to be viable options.
 
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