Sony a6300 announced
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Well in addition, so far rolling shutter looks good and adapted lens AF looks really good as demonstrated here, the 50L looks faster than my Batis 85:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUYcIPnOFZg
I'm not shy about my excitement over the a6300, I've been waiting for something like this for awhile, and I don't want to drop down to m43 because I shoot a lot of stills at events and the IQ just isn't there. The AF looks as good as the A7rII, and because the AF points are more concentrated, I think it could be a bit better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUYcIPnOFZg
I'm not shy about my excitement over the a6300, I've been waiting for something like this for awhile, and I don't want to drop down to m43 because I shoot a lot of stills at events and the IQ just isn't there. The AF looks as good as the A7rII, and because the AF points are more concentrated, I think it could be a bit better.
C100Scottie
Active member
as soon as I get mine, I will post a comparison between it and the NX1.
Samuel H
Major Contributor
It's still not the controlled test I'd like to see, but at least this one is on sticks so I dared to take some preliminary measurements. They are WRONG, though, they have to be, I'll illustrate that at the end of this post.
From that piece, I'd say the rolling shutter is somewhere between 17ms and 27ms, which is pretty good (other cameras here). If you want a single number, that would be 22ms, but I'm certain it won't be 22ms, just somewhere around there.
Now, how much error can this measurement have? A LOT. If I don't get a left pan and then a right pan, on sticks and without changing anything, then if the post or corner or whatever is not perfectly vertical it will skew my measurement. I took three measurements, on three different shots. One was a bit short of 20ms, the other was around 25ms, those are the two I'm trusting so far. The third test also used a pole that I thought was vertical, as the first two, but it just can't be, because it gave me a measurement of 60ms which is definitely not the case. And yet it looked vertical to me: it's impossible to know if it is or not, precisely because rolling shutter makes it look skewed.
I thought the same too, but then realized that the old FF zoom lens that they were testing with might not have enough resolution for the smaller Micro 4/3 sensor. I often prefer to shoot with old Nikon AI-S lenses with my GH4 because they are softer than the new Olympus/Panasonic Micro 4/3 glass, which is sometimes too sharp for my taste.
ReelWorksMedia
Well-known member
Personally, I think the a6300 in combination with the Atomos Assassin is going to be pretty killer. To have 4K ProRes HQ out of the gate without any transcoding, ready to edit, for a total package that is $1500 less than the A7RII.....with apparently the best AF feature and LOG....this is going to be a hit. Honestly, I could see 3 or 4 of these little guys in the bag for event work...and you could really do some damage.
I am definitely going to wait until more real world examples, but this just might be my first Sony camera. I have to say, I'm really not all that broken up about leaving Canon (for now).
I am definitely going to wait until more real world examples, but this just might be my first Sony camera. I have to say, I'm really not all that broken up about leaving Canon (for now).
Garten Moorriem
Member
Go with the Video Devices PIX-E5 and not the Atomos Assassin. With the 5er monitor you will get a better proportion in size to the little A6300, during your 'event work' you will not have that much damage because the PIX is of much better build quality and you may even ad with the the soon to come PIX-LR attachment two balanced XLR audio inputs with high quality Sound Devices preamps to the A 6300.
What are the advantages of the PIX-LR over the Tascam DR-60D? Tascam is way cheaper.
well video devices = sound devices, and if they are aiming pix-lr to be at the same quality as their sound devices, then pix-lr will be of much better quality, regarding preamps. Also metering as far as i can see is mix pre-d style, so it's very good!
Mark Williams
Veteran
If the a6300 does not have SDI then I don't think you will get 4K to the PIX-E5.
Garten Moorriem
Member
Both will do. But with the Video Devices solution you will get a compact unit of video and audio recorder. No cables between them and you start recording both with one button. Recording is much more direct passing just through the Sound Devices preamps and not the preamps of lesser quality of the Assassin or the camera.
Disadvantage: You may not audio record without the PIX-E.
Disadvantage: You may not audio record without the PIX-E.
Great. I'll wait for the reviews after it ships.
Garten Moorriem
Member
All the sony cameras have 4k out over HDMI. I am sure the A 6300 will do that too. An open question is wether the A 6300 will output 120 fps over HDMI as it is recording internally. This would be the first compact Sony camera to offer that. And the PIX-5 with the latest firmware would record that.
Samuel H
Major Contributor
I'm talking out of memory and I may be wrong, but I think you got this one backwards: the PIX-E5 records 4K over HDMI but only 1080p over SDI.
John Godden
Well-known member
ONLY up to 120 FPS. This is classic Sony spec-management. :lipsrseal
I am so waiting for hands on reports before ordering this cam! Looks great..................... ????
I believe the RX10 II makes use of an internal memory buffer for frame rates above 120 fps, rather than recording directly to the card. Which is why the 240 fps, 480 fps, and 960 fps modes on the RX10 II are limited to 2 seconds worth of recording (in quality priority mode) or 4 seconds (at lower resolution).
It's possible the a6300 lacks this high speed memory buffer which is why it can't do the higher frame rates. It also sounds like the sensor technology in the a6300 is different from the RX10 II. Sony describes the RX10 II as having a stacked backside illuminated CMOS sensor where the sensor circuitry is located on a separate layer beneath the pixel layer. Here is some additional background on Sony's stacked CMOS sensor technology and the sensor in the RX10 II and RX100 IV specifically:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201201/12-009E/
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/ever...t-the-new-rx100m4-first-1-inch-stacked-sensor
In contrast, the a6300 seems to be using a more conventional sensor design where the photosites and sensor circuits are on the same layer (so not backside illuminated). The main innovation in the a6300 sensor is apparently that they made the wiring of some of the sensor circuitry thinner so that more light can hit the photosites:
http://bestmirrorlessblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/sony-a6300-sensor-768x441.jpg
Anyway, the point is that the a6300 sensor may not be capable of the fast readout needed to support higher frame rates beyond 120 fps.
It's possible the a6300 lacks this high speed memory buffer which is why it can't do the higher frame rates. It also sounds like the sensor technology in the a6300 is different from the RX10 II. Sony describes the RX10 II as having a stacked backside illuminated CMOS sensor where the sensor circuitry is located on a separate layer beneath the pixel layer. Here is some additional background on Sony's stacked CMOS sensor technology and the sensor in the RX10 II and RX100 IV specifically:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201201/12-009E/
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/ever...t-the-new-rx100m4-first-1-inch-stacked-sensor
In contrast, the a6300 seems to be using a more conventional sensor design where the photosites and sensor circuits are on the same layer (so not backside illuminated). The main innovation in the a6300 sensor is apparently that they made the wiring of some of the sensor circuitry thinner so that more light can hit the photosites:
http://bestmirrorlessblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/sony-a6300-sensor-768x441.jpg
Anyway, the point is that the a6300 sensor may not be capable of the fast readout needed to support higher frame rates beyond 120 fps.