FS7: So what IS the OMB ENG solution..

JPNola said:
Besides, that 2/3" 4K shoulder-mount camera isn't yet available. And when it is it will easily cost upwards of $35,000 by the time you add a 4K B4 mount lens. It would be difficult for me to spend $40-45k on a 2/3" camera when for roughly the same cost or only slightly more I could buy an Alexa Mini and use it to pursue other types of work. Better work with higher camera rental rates than a 2/3" 4K camera can command. Commercial work and work that I like to call "posh doc". :happy:
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https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-broadcastcameras/cat-xdcam/product-PXWZ450/
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1288914-REG/sony_pxw_z450_xdcam_xavc_memory_camcorder_body.html
B&H lists it at ~$25K, body.

And 4K/UHD B4 lenses are about 1.75x that.

Sony has both 2/3" and s35 chip 4K/UHD cameras intended for "live" broadcasts. BUT the 2/3" 4K/UHD handheld cameras are SINGLE chip CMOS. Is it simply economics or can the beam splitter/prism/lens system and "small" chips just not stand up under the demands of 4K/UHD.
 
Liam Hall said:
Truth, right there.
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But the One-Man-Band thing shouldn't delegitimize the need for a do-all servo zoom. That is, there are productions where you are not working OMB and a do-all servo zoom is warranted if not vital.

So let's not make it out is if avoiding OMB negates the need for a do-all servo zoom.

The guys shooting NFL Films have a Sound Op, a Camera Grip, and a DIT but they still need do-all servo zooms that cover all their shooting needs. It isn't simply a matter of not having sufficient crew. Needing to satisfy a client who wants a slow "in-shot" push or pull has nothing to do with being OMB or not being OMB. There are productions with huge crews that still have a need for do-all zooms.
 
off-course there is a need for a do all 35mm do all lens which will always be bigger heavier and costlier than 10k.
Which will make the whole camera setup heavier you will need a heavier Tripod and will require an extra set of hands.
Nobody should be running around with that setup by themselves putting radio mics on people while lugging things around; mistakes are made things get lost and damaged on the long run.

Liam Hall said:
I agree. Plenty of uses for servo zoom lenses particularly in TVland.
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If this thread is to continue, let's get back to the original question. Forget the "OMB" part from the title of the post. Morgan has said that he kinda poisoned his own inquiry by including "OMB". It's sent many of you off into commentary on OMB and not discussion of lenses.

Here is that original question:


"What is the best way to get a lens the can do 'an introducer, through to an ECU' under $5k and under 2.5kg

Lets call that an 18-80 at least."


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There are really only 3 options. All 3 are listed in the starter-post.


I think, Morgan, it comes down to one's priority as to speed ( max f-stop ), servo, and par-focal.

If servo and par-focal are important to you then the speed boosted still photo lens is out. If speed is the most important thing then the Sony 18-110mm f/4 is out. But you can't have all three for under $5000. There are few fast, par-focal, servo zooms at any price. And certainly none under $5k.
 
I think from all the "all-round" zoom in the sub 5k category I liked the canon 18-80 from IQ and mechanical standpoint.
that paired with a sigma 18-35 cine or regular would make a good combo and could operate on other cameras as well.
 
Actually I'm more interested in OMB than ENG

Personally I'm not bothered about smooth zooms, parfocalality is a bonus, low mass, great mf, and range are king - I don't even mind a bit of ramping in tstop

My nikkor beasts modern still glass like the 24-105 because of the great focus feel. The only lens ive used with better feel is the cn17-120
 
morgan_moore said:
My nikkor beasts modern still glass like the 24-105 because of the great focus feel. The only lens ive used with better feel is the cn17-120
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Every day I used the 28-85 I thanked you for putting me onto it. It's not just the focus feel it's the lack of breathing over most of its focal range which makes this lens a gem. So what if it focusses backwards the lens is a delight.

There is simply a huge leap up required to comprehensively beat it. I could not reconcile the ££s required.

I wish Sony had brought a 1" handy-cam 4k SLog3 to market, a PD150 for the modern age but alas not to be. I would've walked over hot lava to buy one for the times I needed more video centric shooting but also wanted to colour match the FS7 in the same post workflow. If their DSLRs can shoot SLog surely their Handy-Cams could too? It seems an artificial division of product lines and features.

Who knows, this NAB maybe?
 
For those that dont want to swing that way there is a Canon FD and a Contax 28-85 - I don't have personal experience.

I did buy some FD today as I want to build a budget rental set that will swing the 'normal' way.
 
The contax 28-85 has been my workhorse for 5 years now, right up until the point where I decided to tinker and broke it last week.
 
Nirv said:
Every day I used the 28-85 I thanked you for putting me onto it. It's not just the focus feel it's the lack of breathing over most of its focal range which makes this lens a gem. So what if it focusses backwards the lens is a delight.
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Can you show some examples please? I've seen some of Sam's and had a quick play with Ben's Contax. Asking for a friend...
 
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