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What do you think? Take a look at the second picture especially at the jacket... why it's so ugly?
What do you think? Take a look at the second picture especially at the jacket... why it's so ugly?
Snowboard shots
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J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: Snowboard shots
Because REDS suck. :-/
Because REDS suck. :-/
WaveRiderXIX
Well-known member
Re: Snowboard shots
[quote author=Ronik link=board=Clips;num=1108408741;start=0#4 date=02/14/05 at 16:24:49]How is it possible if I shot 30P and 24PA only?[/quote]
Not sure if that is interlacing... might be motion blur.
But... It could be interlacing if you just did a straight capture without doing a reverse telecine on your footage to 23.98.
Did you grab this frame from a 29.97 timeline?
[quote author=Ronik link=board=Clips;num=1108408741;start=0#4 date=02/14/05 at 16:24:49]How is it possible if I shot 30P and 24PA only?[/quote]
Not sure if that is interlacing... might be motion blur.
But... It could be interlacing if you just did a straight capture without doing a reverse telecine on your footage to 23.98.
Did you grab this frame from a 29.97 timeline?
givemefood
Well-known member
Re: Snowboard shots
Seems like on the 2nd pic u needed a higher shutter speed. 250? Because the object is either moving ahead or coming to a stop. I would have used a higher shutter speed to get the image clear.
Also Red on the white background may not always look the best....
Seems like on the 2nd pic u needed a higher shutter speed. 250? Because the object is either moving ahead or coming to a stop. I would have used a higher shutter speed to get the image clear.
Also Red on the white background may not always look the best....
Re: Snowboard shots
Salut Ronik, get closer to your subjet if you want your shot to be more dynamics.
Also, when capturing in 24pA, here what I found:
Noah Kadner wrotes:
Just got a note from one of our users at 2-pop saying he had spoken to you regarding capturing 24p Advanced DVX100 footage in FCP and you had advised him to capture at 23.98 FPS. That's not the right way to do it.
I'll give you a quick background on me. I wrote the very first review of the DVX100 and it's use with FCP back in November 2002 and have been advising people on 2-pop on its use for the past two years. I've also worked directly with Jan Crittenden, the DVX100 and SDX900 national product manager for Panasonic during the past two NABs. So hopefully you'll dig my credentials in regard to FCP and the DVX100.
"DVX100 24pA footage should always be captured at 29.97 because that's what's on the tape. When a user wants to cut at 23.98 they need to properly remove the 2:3:3:2 pulldown introduced by the DVX100 during filming. The DVX100 flags these extra frames and embeds these flags into the Firewire data stream. FCP can read these flags back during ingest and conform the 29.97 pulldown footage back to the 23.98 captured by the camera. That is what the Remove Advance Pulldown from 2:3:3:2 sources checkbox in the capture settings is for. But in order to do this properly, the FPS setting in FCP must be set at 29.97 to give FCP the full firewire data stream and allow it to properly recognize the flags and remove the Advance pulldown frames.
If you set the capture FPS at 23.98, FCP will randomly delete frames to get from 29.97 to 23.98 but they will not be the correct frames. You'll wind up with a 23.98 file that looks odd during playback from FCP because the 2:3:3:2 interlaced pulldown frames are still there along with randomly missing progressive frames. This has become the number one issue plaguing FCP users with DVX100 footage who want to cut at 23.98 and has resulted in a lot of confusion. I've hoped to lobby Apple on this issue so that they might include a warning pop-up in FCP giving notice that 23.98 FPS capture will result in improperly digitized DVX100 footage but haven't made any headway and Panasonic hasn't been able to either- maybe you can help with that.
I know it seems counterintuitive that one would use 29.97 as the capture frame rate in order to ingest 23.98 footage but that's how it must be done because of the way the format is recorded to tape. And FYI- there are very few tape formats that run at 23.98 natively so it would be not be a proper FPS setting for most "24p" formats. The only ones I know of that actually can record to tape at 23.98 without introducing a pulldown are D5 and Sony HDCAM and HDCAM-SR. If you'd like, I can put you in touch with Jan Crittenden from Panasonic and she can give you more information on how the process works so that you can help spread the word on the proper settings to FCP/DVX100 users you consult with. Let me know."
Salut Ronik, get closer to your subjet if you want your shot to be more dynamics.
Also, when capturing in 24pA, here what I found:
Noah Kadner wrotes:
Just got a note from one of our users at 2-pop saying he had spoken to you regarding capturing 24p Advanced DVX100 footage in FCP and you had advised him to capture at 23.98 FPS. That's not the right way to do it.
I'll give you a quick background on me. I wrote the very first review of the DVX100 and it's use with FCP back in November 2002 and have been advising people on 2-pop on its use for the past two years. I've also worked directly with Jan Crittenden, the DVX100 and SDX900 national product manager for Panasonic during the past two NABs. So hopefully you'll dig my credentials in regard to FCP and the DVX100.
"DVX100 24pA footage should always be captured at 29.97 because that's what's on the tape. When a user wants to cut at 23.98 they need to properly remove the 2:3:3:2 pulldown introduced by the DVX100 during filming. The DVX100 flags these extra frames and embeds these flags into the Firewire data stream. FCP can read these flags back during ingest and conform the 29.97 pulldown footage back to the 23.98 captured by the camera. That is what the Remove Advance Pulldown from 2:3:3:2 sources checkbox in the capture settings is for. But in order to do this properly, the FPS setting in FCP must be set at 29.97 to give FCP the full firewire data stream and allow it to properly recognize the flags and remove the Advance pulldown frames.
If you set the capture FPS at 23.98, FCP will randomly delete frames to get from 29.97 to 23.98 but they will not be the correct frames. You'll wind up with a 23.98 file that looks odd during playback from FCP because the 2:3:3:2 interlaced pulldown frames are still there along with randomly missing progressive frames. This has become the number one issue plaguing FCP users with DVX100 footage who want to cut at 23.98 and has resulted in a lot of confusion. I've hoped to lobby Apple on this issue so that they might include a warning pop-up in FCP giving notice that 23.98 FPS capture will result in improperly digitized DVX100 footage but haven't made any headway and Panasonic hasn't been able to either- maybe you can help with that.
I know it seems counterintuitive that one would use 29.97 as the capture frame rate in order to ingest 23.98 footage but that's how it must be done because of the way the format is recorded to tape. And FYI- there are very few tape formats that run at 23.98 natively so it would be not be a proper FPS setting for most "24p" formats. The only ones I know of that actually can record to tape at 23.98 without introducing a pulldown are D5 and Sony HDCAM and HDCAM-SR. If you'd like, I can put you in touch with Jan Crittenden from Panasonic and she can give you more information on how the process works so that you can help spread the word on the proper settings to FCP/DVX100 users you consult with. Let me know."
Re: Snowboard shots
Yes, I'd like to have more informations on how the process work. So if I want real 24fps movie, I have to capture 29,97fps and then with cinema tools remove the pulldown? What I don't understant is that when I capture 23,98fps it says it's a Advance (2:3:3:2) Pulldown Removal and you're telling me it remove frames randomly?
Yes, I'd like to have more informations on how the process work. So if I want real 24fps movie, I have to capture 29,97fps and then with cinema tools remove the pulldown? What I don't understant is that when I capture 23,98fps it says it's a Advance (2:3:3:2) Pulldown Removal and you're telling me it remove frames randomly?
Re: Snowboard shots
Cette phrase répond à ta question Ronik:
"the FPS setting in FCP must be set at 29.97 to give FCP the full firewire data stream and allow it to properly recognize the flags and remove the Advance pulldown frames."
Sur le tape les données sont toujours enregistrées en 29.97, alors pour avoir tout les données, elles doivent être captées dans FCP set at 29.97 et la box de pulldown cochée pour que FCP fasse le pulldown lui-même sans random.
A+ Shadow
Cette phrase répond à ta question Ronik:
"the FPS setting in FCP must be set at 29.97 to give FCP the full firewire data stream and allow it to properly recognize the flags and remove the Advance pulldown frames."
Sur le tape les données sont toujours enregistrées en 29.97, alors pour avoir tout les données, elles doivent être captées dans FCP set at 29.97 et la box de pulldown cochée pour que FCP fasse le pulldown lui-même sans random.
A+ Shadow
Re: Snowboard shots
Yeah I know 24pAdv is true 24fps but if I capture with NTSC setting (29,97) and edit it on a 29,97fps timeline I'm not sure it's gonna give me true 24fps.
Ronik, you capture in NTSC 29,97 but you also applied a 2:3:3:2 pulldown when capture with FCP (When a user wants to cut at 23.98 they need to properly remove the 2:3:3:2 pulldown introduced by the DVX100 during filming registered on the tape at 29,97)
If you set the capture FPS at 23.98, FCP will randomly delete frames to get from 29.97 to 23.98 but they will not be the correct frames. You'll wind up with a 23.98 file that looks odd during playback from FCP because the 2:3:3:2 interlaced pulldown frames are still there along with randomly missing progressive frames. Catch it.
Yeah I know 24pAdv is true 24fps but if I capture with NTSC setting (29,97) and edit it on a 29,97fps timeline I'm not sure it's gonna give me true 24fps.
Ronik, you capture in NTSC 29,97 but you also applied a 2:3:3:2 pulldown when capture with FCP (When a user wants to cut at 23.98 they need to properly remove the 2:3:3:2 pulldown introduced by the DVX100 during filming registered on the tape at 29,97)
If you set the capture FPS at 23.98, FCP will randomly delete frames to get from 29.97 to 23.98 but they will not be the correct frames. You'll wind up with a 23.98 file that looks odd during playback from FCP because the 2:3:3:2 interlaced pulldown frames are still there along with randomly missing progressive frames. Catch it.
Re: Snowboard shots
Yeah I think I caugh it! Sorry if I was slow but I heard for like 3months and from many differents source to capture 23,98 and you're the first one to tell me to capture 29,97 and I just wanted to be sure I was understanding well. You should post it in the FCP section to see others' reaction! ;D
Yeah I think I caugh it! Sorry if I was slow but I heard for like 3months and from many differents source to capture 23,98 and you're the first one to tell me to capture 29,97 and I just wanted to be sure I was understanding well. You should post it in the FCP section to see others' reaction! ;D
Loki
Veteran
Re: Snowboard shots
Shadow, you did a great job confusing the hell out of me with your initial post.
Are you saying/implying that shooting 24PA then using the DV 23.98 (Advanced Pulldown removal) capture option in Final Cut will randomly delete frames?
if your referring to that, I don't believe you. but... if your referring to another method.. do explain?
From what I have read, and all the footage I have logged over the past year, I have no had any problems obtaining 24p output from Final cut..
it easily removes the pulldown that the DVX applied...
I dunno what you your talking about.. there is only 1 capture option for 24p DV footage in Final Cut...
PS: I have never noticed any combined frames slipping into my 24p footage.. ie the BC Frame....
Shadow, you did a great job confusing the hell out of me with your initial post.
Are you saying/implying that shooting 24PA then using the DV 23.98 (Advanced Pulldown removal) capture option in Final Cut will randomly delete frames?
if your referring to that, I don't believe you. but... if your referring to another method.. do explain?
From what I have read, and all the footage I have logged over the past year, I have no had any problems obtaining 24p output from Final cut..
it easily removes the pulldown that the DVX applied...
I dunno what you your talking about.. there is only 1 capture option for 24p DV footage in Final Cut...
PS: I have never noticed any combined frames slipping into my 24p footage.. ie the BC Frame....