OregonDank
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you need to move out of Florida kid...
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there's no way that the hvx will become the new skate filming camera in the near future (excluding broadcast filming like the xgames, etc.). variable frame rates are not something that most skate filmers would find advantageous, as the choice for slow motion is normally something that is decided in post after watching a landed trick at different speeds/editing to music. secondly, it is very expensive for the average skate filmer--not including the fisheye (something required for skate filmers) which i would guess is not too cheap either. lastly the p2 at its current state is not efficient in any way for skate filming other than being easy to put into the camera. ive run through entire 60min dv tapes filming attempts at a single trick, footage that burns a lot of tape, but often yields the best bail footage and outtakes for skate videos so it is not to be simply overwritten. just my two cents.
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there's no way that the hvx will become the new skate filming camera in the near future (excluding broadcast filming like the xgames, etc.). variable frame rates are not something that most skate filmers would find advantageous, as the choice for slow motion is normally something that is decided in post after watching a landed trick at different speeds/editing to music. secondly, it is very expensive for the average skate filmer--not including the fisheye (something required for skate filmers) which i would guess is not too cheap either. lastly the p2 at its current state is not efficient in any way for skate filming other than being easy to put into the camera. ive run through entire 60min dv tapes filming attempts at a single trick, footage that burns a lot of tape, but often yields the best bail footage and outtakes for skate videos so it is not to be simply overwritten. just my two cents.
What ever...
Just thought people wanted best quality for slow-mos. I also have 60min tapes with one good run or trick.
I wonder, if you record straight to p2, does it wear out the drum, heads etc. Tape mechanics. Probably not.
The hvx is not that expensive, since it doesn't wear out like the other cameras using tapes. Thought this would be good for filming snowboarding and so on.
Just thought people wanted best quality for slow-mos. I also have 60min tapes with one good run or trick.
I wonder, if you record straight to p2, does it wear out the drum, heads etc. Tape mechanics. Probably not.
The hvx is not that expensive, since it doesn't wear out like the other cameras using tapes. Thought this would be good for filming snowboarding and so on.
Pascal Parvex
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ajs473 said:
A fisheye is not required for the HVX. They only have to use it because their lower- to middle-class Sony cams have crap wide angles, like 39 or even 40 mm, compared to the very good (for a video cam) 32.5 mm of the HVX.
Justyn
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ajs473 said:
Well possibly average joe skaters, but I know plenty of pros who make quite a bit of bread and they always seem to have the latest gadgets....
This is just also the first run off. What would it do to the price if they eliminated the DV all together? Or make it use hot-swappable drives...
I've shot a ton of bands on DV... and now I'll be doing it for bands on HD. Sure most don't have money, but you never know when someone hits.. I had a chance to put several Creed songs on my feature film back in 96 when my friend knew their manager up in Tally... I passed as their music sucks.. but if I had put it in there.. I probably would have sold the movie for a shitload of money...
Ya can't just discret something based on money... 6k to one person is like 600k to another. I've seen skate videos and wakeboarding videos funded by kids that have friggin' helicopter shots.. and all kinds of jibs and rigs and ****...
Deliver the goods and the cash will flow in...
OregonDank
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if you want to shoot P2 with your HVX its not gonna be 6k....more like 10 homie
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to pascal, you're obviously not a skate filmer if you think that we spend $800 on century fisheyes because our sonys dont have wide enough lenses. the ultrawide barrel distorted shots are a trademark of skateboard filming. one of the main reasons that skate filmers still search for a functioning sony vx1000 (yes the 1000) is because, besides the highly admired color scheme, the mark I fisheye made for it has the widest and best barrel distortion of all the century lenses.
as for the money issue justyn, you're right, the money really isnt a determining factor. the reason for this, however, is that the look of the camera is more important. skateboarding has always relied on a select few mid-range sony digital cameras and thats not changing very much at all. even the latest girl video "yeah right", which had a huge budget and had an intro shot on 16mm by spike jonze with an insane 400fps camera, was shot 75% on vx1000s.
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to pascal, you're obviously not a skate filmer if you think that we spend $800 on century fisheyes because our sonys dont have wide enough lenses. the ultrawide barrel distorted shots are a trademark of skateboard filming. one of the main reasons that skate filmers still search for a functioning sony vx1000 (yes the 1000) is because, besides the highly admired color scheme, the mark I fisheye made for it has the widest and best barrel distortion of all the century lenses.
as for the money issue justyn, you're right, the money really isnt a determining factor. the reason for this, however, is that the look of the camera is more important. skateboarding has always relied on a select few mid-range sony digital cameras and thats not changing very much at all. even the latest girl video "yeah right", which had a huge budget and had an intro shot on 16mm by spike jonze with an insane 400fps camera, was shot 75% on vx1000s.
Pascal Parvex
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ajs473 said:
So, then it is tradition. And from where does this tradition come? Right, it stems from the fact that the first guys doing DV videos did use cams with crap wide angle. And a DVX or HVX has all the wide angle you'll ever need, the HVX even has 16:9.
the tradition does not come from the fact that we did not have wide enough angles. there is no angle wide enough, to hold a camera two feet away from a skaters feet while skating down the street with them and get a steady, decent dramatic frame (in a very experienced skateboard filmer's opinon). the fisheye look dramatizes the skateboarder, making gaps look bigger, speed look faster, having the foreground fly by, etc. its the perspective distortion not the focal length (plus the fact that fisheyes often appear more steady than they are as filming from a moving skateboard can be tough in some situations). if someone filmed a skateboarding line with a 10mm lens with perfect framing people would wonder what the hell he was doing. this is not to say that normal wide lenses are not used in skateboarding because they are, even with a moving camera, but the traditional fisheye line filming was and always will be appreciated for the distortion (the type of which you would never get from a normal wide angle lens).
Justyn
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I really enjoyed Yeah right. Glad I picked that one up...
We all have hammers... Some of them can be old school ones... but I prefer to get a power sledge hammer and go my way. I'm not a skater.. I just shoot skate footage.
I also hope 99 percent of America can't afford this camera and the accessories. When DV became accessible to the masess.. I lost a lot of work... Just like I did with DVD duplication when the towers came down. But when I look at what I will be able to pull off for 10K, it's amazing.
I already have the computer, tripod, jib, road cases, soft cases, lavelliers, boom mikes, plant mikes... and all that friggin crap that I've acquired over the past 5 years or so...
So this is a way to get in now.. in the formation of this industry when we can deliver and compete with effin hollywood. When we can deliver HD content... that's arguably as good as something costing several million dollars....
My friends that Fat kid that Copella speeks off... is none other than my fat little girl.. Shirley. I think that's the camera name. Maybe Pat?
What are other fat girl names? Clare, Debbie, Sue, Brenda?
We all have hammers... Some of them can be old school ones... but I prefer to get a power sledge hammer and go my way. I'm not a skater.. I just shoot skate footage.
I also hope 99 percent of America can't afford this camera and the accessories. When DV became accessible to the masess.. I lost a lot of work... Just like I did with DVD duplication when the towers came down. But when I look at what I will be able to pull off for 10K, it's amazing.
I already have the computer, tripod, jib, road cases, soft cases, lavelliers, boom mikes, plant mikes... and all that friggin crap that I've acquired over the past 5 years or so...
So this is a way to get in now.. in the formation of this industry when we can deliver and compete with effin hollywood. When we can deliver HD content... that's arguably as good as something costing several million dollars....
My friends that Fat kid that Copella speeks off... is none other than my fat little girl.. Shirley. I think that's the camera name. Maybe Pat?
What are other fat girl names? Clare, Debbie, Sue, Brenda?
Justyn
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Damn... that's friggin perfect there brother. Big Phat Bertha from Bethesda Maryland...
She is a big girl isn't she.. Lovely being an HD chubby chaser! I do think there's something to giving it a name.... I also seriously prayed over the camera when I got it... I'm kind of religious.. but certainly superstitious atleast... Got to do what I can until I can afford insurance... Bring forth the GIGS... GIGS..
She is a big girl isn't she.. Lovely being an HD chubby chaser! I do think there's something to giving it a name.... I also seriously prayed over the camera when I got it... I'm kind of religious.. but certainly superstitious atleast... Got to do what I can until I can afford insurance... Bring forth the GIGS... GIGS..
Nice looking video.. but it was pretty much the worst skate video i've seen.
Only one angle, 99% of it was below the coping, there was a random BMXer in there, and the ending trick was a bail on a frontside grind!
Ha ha just playing.. but i'm very jealous of your camera. Now get a Century Xtreme fisheye and get into the action! Your kids would be hella stoked brah.
Only one angle, 99% of it was below the coping, there was a random BMXer in there, and the ending trick was a bail on a frontside grind!
Ha ha just playing.. but i'm very jealous of your camera. Now get a Century Xtreme fisheye and get into the action! Your kids would be hella stoked brah.
Justyn
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I shot some pro skater footage today. They were quite good and it was at a family bowl here in town. They were blown away with the slow-motion and the fast shutter stuff.. as well as the colors and clarity. They're used to cameras and didn't give me any special attention until they saw the footage. One guys jaw dropped clear open... They are notoriosly cheap and wouldn't pay for crap.. especially since they all have cameras.. but I proposed a deal for me to come out and shoot them a few times in return for atleast 1 if not 2 century lens adapters (fisheye and .6 wide angle or the .75 when that comes out). Now that is certainly not a bad deal for either of us.. and I get more demo material.
The stock lens on the HVX is really awesome, but not quite wide enough to get a full body in frame right up on the copping... without gettng elevated. I think that with a wide angle adapter with zoom though.. this WILL be the skater video for people who make a living doing this. I could be making cash on them.. but I will work for gear... Gear whore here.
have I said again how much I friggin love this camera... At the end of the shoot they were all bummed they couldn't have a copy right there... that is until I whipped out the manual and copied it off to Mini DV... Now that is so friggin HOT... I also think it's a decent additional safeguard for really important shooting.. especially if its going to end up SD anyway.
I love the cam... LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT... I'm getting the hang of the controls.. and I know how things will resolve.. and where I'll run into problems.. It's just already making me a celebrity.. LOL
The stock lens on the HVX is really awesome, but not quite wide enough to get a full body in frame right up on the copping... without gettng elevated. I think that with a wide angle adapter with zoom though.. this WILL be the skater video for people who make a living doing this. I could be making cash on them.. but I will work for gear... Gear whore here.
have I said again how much I friggin love this camera... At the end of the shoot they were all bummed they couldn't have a copy right there... that is until I whipped out the manual and copied it off to Mini DV... Now that is so friggin HOT... I also think it's a decent additional safeguard for really important shooting.. especially if its going to end up SD anyway.
I love the cam... LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT... I'm getting the hang of the controls.. and I know how things will resolve.. and where I'll run into problems.. It's just already making me a celebrity.. LOL
skatetpcdotcom
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ha its real funny seeing a lot of people praise tony hawk and burnquist and say that the hvx will be the next big thing to hit skateboard videography.
well sadly you're all wrong. Skateboard filming will be brought into the dvx100a/b era for 24p but the vx1000 will always be the industry standard for 1 and 1 reason only. The century optics mark 1 fisheye. It's simply the widest fisheye out there and is made specificlly for the vx1000. Look at all the top filmers in the industry... Scuba steve, french fred, ty evans, jason hernandez, john holland, and aaron meza and you will see that each of them own the vx1000/mk1 death lens.
I got into the videography industry shooting skate videos and still do it to this day. I hate to see people praising the skaters because they are on a popular company. Team pain? who the **** are those guys, their team are a bunch of no namers. The only thing pain has going for themselves is their skateparks. I'm sorry anything or anybody affiliated with the xgames, they are despised in any action sports industry. I had to take a breathe and smile for the fact that skateboarding or any action sport for that matter will never make it hollywood. It pisses me off to see skaters only beable to skate staples center when XGAMES puts the money up to do it, but on any given normal day us skaters have to deal with 24/7 security issues and having the cops called on us. So i really don't hold any respect for vert skaters in the sense that they dont deal with any hassles of true skateboard lifestyle.
Skaters are just that... skateboarders. They dont make money for what they do and neither do the filmers. I can snatch a vx1k for 1000$ on ebay and spend another 600$ and grab a mk1 and have the industry standard setup for filming skateboarding. price, compatibility, size, and conveincy will always play a factor in action sports filming. No way in hell would i take a HVX out in the city and film with it for risk of myself getting mugged, and cops confiscating it.
You will never get a shot like http://www.skatetpc.com/9.26update.html with the hvx. And this is what is high demanding in skateboard videography.
well sadly you're all wrong. Skateboard filming will be brought into the dvx100a/b era for 24p but the vx1000 will always be the industry standard for 1 and 1 reason only. The century optics mark 1 fisheye. It's simply the widest fisheye out there and is made specificlly for the vx1000. Look at all the top filmers in the industry... Scuba steve, french fred, ty evans, jason hernandez, john holland, and aaron meza and you will see that each of them own the vx1000/mk1 death lens.
I got into the videography industry shooting skate videos and still do it to this day. I hate to see people praising the skaters because they are on a popular company. Team pain? who the **** are those guys, their team are a bunch of no namers. The only thing pain has going for themselves is their skateparks. I'm sorry anything or anybody affiliated with the xgames, they are despised in any action sports industry. I had to take a breathe and smile for the fact that skateboarding or any action sport for that matter will never make it hollywood. It pisses me off to see skaters only beable to skate staples center when XGAMES puts the money up to do it, but on any given normal day us skaters have to deal with 24/7 security issues and having the cops called on us. So i really don't hold any respect for vert skaters in the sense that they dont deal with any hassles of true skateboard lifestyle.
Skaters are just that... skateboarders. They dont make money for what they do and neither do the filmers. I can snatch a vx1k for 1000$ on ebay and spend another 600$ and grab a mk1 and have the industry standard setup for filming skateboarding. price, compatibility, size, and conveincy will always play a factor in action sports filming. No way in hell would i take a HVX out in the city and film with it for risk of myself getting mugged, and cops confiscating it.
You will never get a shot like http://www.skatetpc.com/9.26update.html with the hvx. And this is what is high demanding in skateboard videography.
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adam powell
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I dont get what your point is?
you cant fit a death lens on a HVX?
"the vx1000 will always be the industry standard"
what a thing to say....thats like saying you'll never grow old.
I'm sorry man that whole post just stinks and is pretty much the reason I quit making skate videos, you don't respect vert skaters because they dont deal with the true skateboard lifestyle?
what the hell is the true skateboard lifestyle?
and as for saying you'll never get a shot like that out of an HVX...you could...using an adaptor and a SLR fisheye.
and plus...who made the rules that say death lens is the ONLY way to film skateboarding.
I cant wait for someone to shoot a skate video without a death lens, nothing wrong with originality man.
you cant fit a death lens on a HVX?
"the vx1000 will always be the industry standard"
what a thing to say....thats like saying you'll never grow old.
I'm sorry man that whole post just stinks and is pretty much the reason I quit making skate videos, you don't respect vert skaters because they dont deal with the true skateboard lifestyle?
what the hell is the true skateboard lifestyle?
and as for saying you'll never get a shot like that out of an HVX...you could...using an adaptor and a SLR fisheye.
and plus...who made the rules that say death lens is the ONLY way to film skateboarding.
I cant wait for someone to shoot a skate video without a death lens, nothing wrong with originality man.
Justyn
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Skatepc... your whole point reaks AMATEUR... and forced and just plain.. well rookie concepts. I personally think that a fisheye is a one trick pony type of shooting... where you stick it on and then run around hoping to get one isolated moment captured... Hoping it's a trick pulled off so close to you that it has any merit.
Anyone worth their weight is inclined to use an approach that has variety... has visual interest.. Has a narrow DOF... has the ability to zoom... Pan and focus to and from the subject. To stick a fisheye on the front.. call it a done deal and never focus and never move beyond that just reaks of inability and inadequacy...
But then again we're talking about skaters here and NOT videographers. I shoot all kinds off footage and I know that what I shot the other day was leaps and bounds better than the guy who just stood in one spot with his fisheye on there... He probably got a minute of usable stuff. I got over an hour!
Sticking with the VX1000 is like the most moronic thing I could think offf.. I personally would rather have a .6 or .75 that I can zoom though... and deliver better results. In slow mo, in HD.. in all kinds of things.
We are also talking about a saturated market.... one that requires new and innovation, and not the most hackney and rookie type of shooting. But then again I guess the world needs fisheye hacks like it needs ditch diggers....
Keep up the crazy antics and you'll stay right where you are. Using a camera that was great in 1996... personally I hate the friggin cam... Aweful viewfinder and terrible design. Maybe that's why the fisheye is so good.. because it's the only time you'll know you are in focus... Also time to learn a new trick bro!.. cause the only one got tired a long long long long time ago...
Also to call successful people and such hacks speaks of your level and status. Keep it real bro! Real poor, uneducated.. and just plain AMATEUR. The HVX is for pro videographers.. sorry it interfers with your skater aesthetics... But again, keep it up as it's funny to laugh at ya.. instead of with ya!
Anyone worth their weight is inclined to use an approach that has variety... has visual interest.. Has a narrow DOF... has the ability to zoom... Pan and focus to and from the subject. To stick a fisheye on the front.. call it a done deal and never focus and never move beyond that just reaks of inability and inadequacy...
But then again we're talking about skaters here and NOT videographers. I shoot all kinds off footage and I know that what I shot the other day was leaps and bounds better than the guy who just stood in one spot with his fisheye on there... He probably got a minute of usable stuff. I got over an hour!
Sticking with the VX1000 is like the most moronic thing I could think offf.. I personally would rather have a .6 or .75 that I can zoom though... and deliver better results. In slow mo, in HD.. in all kinds of things.
We are also talking about a saturated market.... one that requires new and innovation, and not the most hackney and rookie type of shooting. But then again I guess the world needs fisheye hacks like it needs ditch diggers....
Keep up the crazy antics and you'll stay right where you are. Using a camera that was great in 1996... personally I hate the friggin cam... Aweful viewfinder and terrible design. Maybe that's why the fisheye is so good.. because it's the only time you'll know you are in focus... Also time to learn a new trick bro!.. cause the only one got tired a long long long long time ago...
Also to call successful people and such hacks speaks of your level and status. Keep it real bro! Real poor, uneducated.. and just plain AMATEUR. The HVX is for pro videographers.. sorry it interfers with your skater aesthetics... But again, keep it up as it's funny to laugh at ya.. instead of with ya!
skatetpcdotcom
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well you can keep saying my point is moronic and amatuer but pick up any recent video made by a skate company by skateboard filmers and you will see what im talking about.
Justyn
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Been there. Done that. Who cares what's the convention. WIthout differences and contrast the fisheye looses all effect! It should be used sparingly and not just thrown about every single time. Shooting should have a rhythm and a variety.. and I guess that's why I don't watch skate videos.... 99 percent of them I've seen are crap... made on the cheap... with a fisheye glued to the front of it..