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Derrick_SA
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Re: skalve! here is your grabs
Very nice,
Again, I have to ask, the second grab, did you use standard settings on the camera, and/or did you Color Correct (with what please?) before posting the grabs ?
Thanks,
Derrick
Very nice,
Again, I have to ask, the second grab, did you use standard settings on the camera, and/or did you Color Correct (with what please?) before posting the grabs ?
Thanks,
Derrick
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Re: skalve! here is your grabs
Derrick_SA
Standard settings and no color correction. It is a Pal footage.
The magic is the WB. Don't use clean white for your WB.
Derrick_SA
Standard settings and no color correction. It is a Pal footage.
The magic is the WB. Don't use clean white for your WB.
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Re: skalve! here is your grabs
I can tell you than I have to ....
You can order WB-cards from your local photo shop. They have it I guess. But if your LCD is correct than you can see what your WB is doing. You can experiment with different colors. I could give you a PMS nr. but it doesn't help you, you need my lights and you need the same street with the same everything to have use the same color. But if I'm not wrong in this case I was using one of the lights "white", I'm not shure, I should check it in the log file.
Do some test with different colors.
I can tell you than I have to ....
You can order WB-cards from your local photo shop. They have it I guess. But if your LCD is correct than you can see what your WB is doing. You can experiment with different colors. I could give you a PMS nr. but it doesn't help you, you need my lights and you need the same street with the same everything to have use the same color. But if I'm not wrong in this case I was using one of the lights "white", I'm not shure, I should check it in the log file.
Do some test with different colors.
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mino
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Re: skalve! here is your grabs
Woah dude... that second shot looks like a Hollwood set. Very nice!
Woah dude... that second shot looks like a Hollwood set. Very nice!
Derrick_SA
Veteran
Re: skalve! here is your grabs
Hi there, thanks for replying,
I'll check out the WB cards, see if I can get some around here in South Africa, should be I guess
thanks,
Derrick
Hi there, thanks for replying,
I'll check out the WB cards, see if I can get some around here in South Africa, should be I guess
thanks,
Derrick
donbarzini
Well-known member
Re: skalve! here is your grabs
Are these stills really from the DVX? They are so clean. Are these from the 100 and 100a? If these are definitely from the DVX, please share your WB secrets, or I'll have to........
Are these stills really from the DVX? They are so clean. Are these from the 100 and 100a? If these are definitely from the DVX, please share your WB secrets, or I'll have to........
Derrick_SA
Veteran
Re: skalve! here is your grabs
Please please share some of you WB tricks ?
Thanks,
Derrick
Please please share some of you WB tricks ?
Thanks,
Derrick
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Re: skalve! here is your grabs
Derrick_SA
There isn't any big secret to share. Use your LCD and if the white WB can't give you what you like than use an other color. You can order a WB-card sett, warm , cold .... Sometimes I use the "white" from the sky or a "street light". If you turn you camcorder a little of from the subject you get on other reflection and the color which is white for your eyes is something else. Just be shure the color and brightness of your LCD is correct.
It is a PAL anamorphic footage. Scaled down in Photoshop, no color correction or any other software secret. It is a 720x576(1024x576 1:1) not 720x480, scaled down to 614x346 1:1.
Almost everything you do in your Magic Bullet you can do with filters and WB. If you are not using more colors, gradient etc. than a smoot adjustment in WB can do you more without rendring.
I use color correction only if there is 2 different footages with different WB and I have to find a common WB.
I have noticed that NTSC footage is quite different from the PAL because we don't have 24P only 25P. I don't know.
And if you are using squeeze than you scale the pixels up to make a 720x480 anamorphic footage. With an adapter you don't sace the pixels. It gives you a higher resolution.
Everything you use is a kind of electronic surgery. I mean if your optic (lens, glassfilters etc) isn't good, than just to save your day with a Magic Bullet isn't the best solution. It's an quick and dirty solution which gives you a very good result. But do you realy want the same look for all of your videos?
You have a very good camera, special thanks to Leica. Use it. Experiment with colors in WB. There isn't any "push this button" solution for this.
Derrick_SA
There isn't any big secret to share. Use your LCD and if the white WB can't give you what you like than use an other color. You can order a WB-card sett, warm , cold .... Sometimes I use the "white" from the sky or a "street light". If you turn you camcorder a little of from the subject you get on other reflection and the color which is white for your eyes is something else. Just be shure the color and brightness of your LCD is correct.
It is a PAL anamorphic footage. Scaled down in Photoshop, no color correction or any other software secret. It is a 720x576(1024x576 1:1) not 720x480, scaled down to 614x346 1:1.
Almost everything you do in your Magic Bullet you can do with filters and WB. If you are not using more colors, gradient etc. than a smoot adjustment in WB can do you more without rendring.
I use color correction only if there is 2 different footages with different WB and I have to find a common WB.
I have noticed that NTSC footage is quite different from the PAL because we don't have 24P only 25P. I don't know.
And if you are using squeeze than you scale the pixels up to make a 720x480 anamorphic footage. With an adapter you don't sace the pixels. It gives you a higher resolution.
Everything you use is a kind of electronic surgery. I mean if your optic (lens, glassfilters etc) isn't good, than just to save your day with a Magic Bullet isn't the best solution. It's an quick and dirty solution which gives you a very good result. But do you realy want the same look for all of your videos?
You have a very good camera, special thanks to Leica. Use it. Experiment with colors in WB. There isn't any "push this button" solution for this.
Derrick_SA
Veteran
Re: skalve! here is your grabs
thanks again for the reply!
I'm in PAL country, doing a wedding saturday
Thanks again!
- Derrick
thanks again for the reply!
I'm in PAL country, doing a wedding saturday
Thanks again!
- Derrick
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: skalve! here is your grabs
The best way to do a WB is by using the existing light source and then doing another one ANYTIME the lighting conditions/source changes.. Using anything other WHITE to do the balance will give you different results. A BLUE Card will WARM up the IMAGE whereas an ORANGE Card will Cool it.
If I am not mistaken, the following COLOR WHEEL will show you something. If you do a WB using any of these colors it will have the opposite effect on your image. (Red to Blue/Blue to Red)
Hey Sergej. What camera is this? DVX ? PAL Version ?
The best way to do a WB is by using the existing light source and then doing another one ANYTIME the lighting conditions/source changes.. Using anything other WHITE to do the balance will give you different results. A BLUE Card will WARM up the IMAGE whereas an ORANGE Card will Cool it.
If I am not mistaken, the following COLOR WHEEL will show you something. If you do a WB using any of these colors it will have the opposite effect on your image. (Red to Blue/Blue to Red)
Hey Sergej. What camera is this? DVX ? PAL Version ?
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Re: skalve! here is your grabs
There isn't white in the wheel. Only in the triangle. Have you used a grey card before? If you WB on clean white all the time than you feel to color correct after the job was finished.
Or if you just WB on your palm? It gives you different overal color to the picture.
Disjecta published that he used the indoor settings to make one of these sunrise pictures. It is the same. But he is using in this case allways the same color.
If you WB to 3200k or 5600k the white is determined to a given white value. The RGB 240:240:240 is white (gray) but the 240:240:250 is bluish for the camcorder but not allways for your eyes. Your eyes color correct. You can see it in the XL2-DVX test. The ashalt in the DVX part in front of the carwash is bluis and is gray as it has to be on the XL2 part. But if you watch the test movies in different time than you can't see or you don't concentrate to this and you gonna see it as white/gray.
There isn't white in the wheel. Only in the triangle. Have you used a grey card before? If you WB on clean white all the time than you feel to color correct after the job was finished.
Or if you just WB on your palm? It gives you different overal color to the picture.
Disjecta published that he used the indoor settings to make one of these sunrise pictures. It is the same. But he is using in this case allways the same color.
If you WB to 3200k or 5600k the white is determined to a given white value. The RGB 240:240:240 is white (gray) but the 240:240:250 is bluish for the camcorder but not allways for your eyes. Your eyes color correct. You can see it in the XL2-DVX test. The ashalt in the DVX part in front of the carwash is bluis and is gray as it has to be on the XL2 part. But if you watch the test movies in different time than you can't see or you don't concentrate to this and you gonna see it as white/gray.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: skalve! here is your grabs
[quote author=Sergej link=board=Clips;num=1099919509;start=15#16 date=11/12/04 at 11:32:25]There isn't white in the wheel. Only in the triangle. [/quote]
The WHEEL is provided as an example of Color and not as an example of what to use to do a WB.
[quote author=Sergej link=board=Clips;num=1099919509;start=15#16 date=11/12/04 at 11:32:25]There isn't white in the wheel. Only in the triangle. [/quote]
The WHEEL is provided as an example of Color and not as an example of what to use to do a WB.
Thistlebop
Well-known member
Re: skalve! here is your grabs
[quote author=Sergej link=board=Clips;num=1099919509;start=0#13 date=11/10/04 at 08:13:49]Derrick_SA
There isn't any big secret to share. Use your LCD and if the white WB can't give you what you like than use an other color. You can order a WB-card sett, warm , cold .... Sometimes I use the "white" from the sky or a "street light"[/quote]
Hum, I didn't think that most street lamps actually gave off "White" light.
No matter though, cuz your "grabs" look utterly fantastic !!! ;D
I especially like the second one.
Nice job !
--Bop
[quote author=Sergej link=board=Clips;num=1099919509;start=0#13 date=11/10/04 at 08:13:49]Derrick_SA
There isn't any big secret to share. Use your LCD and if the white WB can't give you what you like than use an other color. You can order a WB-card sett, warm , cold .... Sometimes I use the "white" from the sky or a "street light"[/quote]
Hum, I didn't think that most street lamps actually gave off "White" light.
No matter though, cuz your "grabs" look utterly fantastic !!! ;D
I especially like the second one.
Nice job !
--Bop
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: skalve! here is your grabs
What camera was this shot on? ???
What camera was this shot on? ???
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Re: skalve! here is your grabs
John, why? Your DVX can't give you the same picture? Yes , it can. But most of the user's here is going for an incamera filmlook. And an incamera filmlook as screengrab looks not so nice. It has to be a motion to give you back the camcorders filmic look. Are you going for filmtransfer than the best way is to use the clearest sharpest highest quality video. The filmlook, the grains is comming after the transfer. The grain on the film is "mechanical" like in the mini35. The raster points, grains are not on the same cordinates frames after frames. One from the Dvinfo made a static mini35. You can see these rasters, grains or whatever you call it. Panasonic is using something like a Floyd shading to make this organic look.
If I hack the Panasonic's software in the camcorder and examine the algorythm they are using , than I'm 100% sure they made a litle bluish filter to make the green look so good. The colors diretly from the chip isn't so good.
So John, Pal anamorphic DVX100AE.
John, why? Your DVX can't give you the same picture? Yes , it can. But most of the user's here is going for an incamera filmlook. And an incamera filmlook as screengrab looks not so nice. It has to be a motion to give you back the camcorders filmic look. Are you going for filmtransfer than the best way is to use the clearest sharpest highest quality video. The filmlook, the grains is comming after the transfer. The grain on the film is "mechanical" like in the mini35. The raster points, grains are not on the same cordinates frames after frames. One from the Dvinfo made a static mini35. You can see these rasters, grains or whatever you call it. Panasonic is using something like a Floyd shading to make this organic look.
If I hack the Panasonic's software in the camcorder and examine the algorythm they are using , than I'm 100% sure they made a litle bluish filter to make the green look so good. The colors diretly from the chip isn't so good.
So John, Pal anamorphic DVX100AE.