Sigma fp

That's a good point. I guess only its price is mirrorless-ish.

P6k: Dimensions 7.08 x 4.41 x 4.84" / 179.83 x 112.01 x 122.94 mm
Weight 2.73 lb / 1238 g

FX6:
Dimensions 6 x 4.6 x 4.5" / 153 x 116 x 114 mm (Without Protrusions)
Weight 2 lb / 890 g

The fx6 body is smaller and lighter. Although, without the top handle, you have neither audio nor monitor
 
NorBro said:
You should intern for T&C Northrup.
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Will I be in charge of makeup or hair?

PS. BMD performance and feature set pretty much tells you how rigged the market really is. A $2,000 6K camera or an $11,000 6K camera that doesn't even shoot Raw.
 
Everyone discovered this back in 2012/2013.

Over on BMCuser and/or the official forum, many of us were absolutely obsessed with Blackmagic.

I swore I would never use another camera again! lol

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Pretty green back then and don't think I ever used the word cartel in my life at that time, but it just did not make any sense to me why these amazing new witch cameras were so good.

Even though I loved all my cameras back then (and now), their IQ was such garbage compared to the BMCC, and it was just impossible for many of us to comprehend why.
 
I think that the IQ gap has closed somewhat since mirrorless cameras got full read-out. even with a compressed H264 or H265 codec, just reading out all the pixels and downscaling them properly is such a huge step up from all the binning and skipping of yesteryear (although, to be fair, those techniques seem to have improved)
 
Definitely. Some have even surpassed BM with parts of the IQ like resolution and detail.

Blackmagic still has the unique RAW formula/look and no NR (or limited).

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Then sometimes during my weekly research of feeding my brain, I come across newer cameras with adapters and unique lenses that feel like I've jumped into the ocean on a 97° New York weather day in late July.

[So refreshing to see something different from someone else.]

 
Here's one with more resolution...pretty ridiculous quality.

This is what the Sigma fp L should have been with internal CinemaDNG.

 
Looks nice. I'm not sure I'm sold on the rolling shutter/motion cadence.

Do you think the EDGE looks worse? I just checked out the first footage at newsshooter and it didn't wow me.

What's sort of funny is how satisfied I m with the a7siii. If it had eND, it would be perfect for my needs. And if I replaced my fs7 with an fx9...I'd be very happy with those 2 cameras. And a 10-bit a6xxx for C cam. But I dont plan on getting the fx9 and possibly not even the fx6. The fs7 is still in demand. An a6xxx would be very useful though for the higher magnification especially if it can crop in in 4k
 
I figured he's not using any ND and has a high shutter on a lens that looks pretty wide open but if not then that would be a big problem.

The EDGE video isn't anything spectacular but results always vary from people.
 
ahalpert said:
Looks nice. I'm not sure I'm sold on the rolling shutter/motion cadence.

Do you think the EDGE looks worse? I just checked out the first footage at newsshooter and it didn't wow me.

What's sort of funny is how satisfied I m with the a7siii. If it had eND, it would be perfect for my needs. And if I replaced my fs7 with an fx9...I'd be very happy with those 2 cameras. And a 10-bit a6xxx for C cam. But I dont plan on getting the fx9 and possibly not even the fx6. The fs7 is still in demand. An a6xxx would be very useful though for the higher magnification especially if it can crop in in 4k
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Does the Sony processing bother you at all? (noise reduction/sharpening) Its one of the reasons I've been so happy with my Panasonic as there is pretty much no artificial looking processing done to the image.

Once the FX6 starts coming onto the used market I am going to buy one. Sony really killed it with the sensor, incredibly low rolling shutter (better than Alexa LF), amazing high ISO, full frame 10 bit 422 up to 4k 120p and 16 bit RAW out (12 bit log on Atomos). It only weights 2 pounds and has 10 stop E-ND's, amazing auto focus, SDI's. Its just perfect honestly. The only one thing I'd want that it doesn't have is IBIS but I have that in my Panasonic S1 which would be my second cam.

If the a7s3/FX3 NR could be dialed off I'd likely get one as its the same sensor. I really appreciate SDI's and ND's though. The FX6 is also so small and light that the a7s3 DSLR form factor isn't as appealing. I had a dream last night I got the FX6, I have turned into a consumerist shill
 
NorBro said:
Everyone discovered this back in 2012/2013.

Over on BMCuser and/or the official forum, many of us were absolutely obsessed with Blackmagic...
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Actually ... if you think that the cartelization began at that time - when Kodak officially dropped out - then the product planning didn't hit the store shelves until 2015 or so. In 2012-13, there was a $12,000 4K 1D C, an $8,000 4K "ready" FS-700 (first with the external interface and a Sony recorder, which brought the price up to ~ $20,000; then, in 2015, with the Convergent Design Odyssey), and then at the end of 2014, GH4 was announced. BMB Cinema Camera was Raw 2.8K and did capture some pretty IQ but also needed a lot of light and a lot of media.

Speaking of which - for FS-700 CD sold its own solid state drives for $3/GB. Now, they're like $.12/GB on Amazon. And they have better specs to boot.

It got bogged down later on. For early 2014, A6000 was a hot APS-C 24 MPX camera. Seven years later, Sony's APS-C cameras have the same res. The same company make higher res sensors for smartphones.
 
DLD said:
BMB Cinema Camera was Raw 2.8K and did capture some pretty IQ but also needed a lot of light and a lot of media.
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It was actually better back then for that camera...you could fit a decent amount on a 512GB SSD in 2.5K, and especially if you were shooting 1080p ProRes.

Now with some of these newer cameras you have to pay ~$200 for a 128GB CFexpress card (or ~$400 for a 160GB Type A for future cameras that might not use SDXC cards) and you're shooting 2-3x as much resolution and/or HFRs.

For some, the cost of the new media alone can fund one of these less expensive mirrorless'.

Fortunately - for now - you can still use SD cards and get the most of the camera's specs for most cameras that have dual media.
 
sgttom said:
Does the Sony processing bother you at all? (noise reduction/sharpening) Its one of the reasons I've been so happy with my Panasonic as there is pretty much no artificial looking processing done to the image.

Once the FX6 starts coming onto the used market I am going to buy one. Sony really killed it with the sensor, incredibly low rolling shutter (better than Alexa LF), amazing high ISO, full frame 10 bit 422 up to 4k 120p and 16 bit RAW out (12 bit log on Atomos). It only weights 2 pounds and has 10 stop E-ND's, amazing auto focus, SDI's. Its just perfect honestly. The only one thing I'd want that it doesn't have is IBIS but I have that in my Panasonic S1 which would be my second cam.

If the a7s3/FX3 NR could be dialed off I'd likely get one as its the same sensor. I really appreciate SDI's and ND's though. The FX6 is also so small and light that the a7s3 DSLR form factor isn't as appealing. I had a dream last night I got the FX6, I have turned into a consumerist shill
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Yes and no. I would like to have the OPTION to shut off all NR and sharpening. But in practice, it doesn't bother me. Of course, most of the stuff I shoot with the a7siii is HD and intended to be shown SOOC. So, my needs may be different. But I don't even turn the sharpening all the way down, I have it one or two notches above the minimum. And I don't think it looks artificial. Similarly with noise reduction - I might appreciate having it in-camera since the client wants to avoid work in post. If I were shooting at ISO 51,200 or something, then I'd really want to do NR in post instead of in camera. But I don't think I've shot above 25,600 and usually not even that high.

Of course, you can record RAW if you really want to circumvent all processing.

I used to own an S1. The IBIS on the S1 is way better than on the a7siii. Of course, Sony also has the catalyst browse stabilization for fx6 and a7siii, which I haven't tried yet. I think I actually like the color a bit better on the a7siii than on the s1. But the main reason I switched was for autofocus. Otherwise, they feel very similar to me in operation and I use the a7siii exactly as I used the S1. No-crop 4K120p is also a big bonus (well, I mostly just use 4k60p but the S1 can't do that without cropping).

I really want an FX6. But I don't really need one, especially since my FS7 is still in demand. But it would definitely be cool to put the fx6 on a gimbal with the 28-135. Having eND and a LANC controller would be a big step up from my a7siii doing auto ISO on "live" gimbal shots with a 1-speed zoom control on the sony mirrorless remote. still, it would be a noticeable increase in weight. the 28-135 feels heavy on the ronin-s with the a7siii. even my 12-24 f/4 feels heavy on that rig after a while, and going to 12mm is really useful for tight interiors or vertical shooting. and if I'm using the 12-24 on the fx6, then the LANC controller is moot. as you can see, I have to keep talking myself out of buying an FX6

but yeah - i would consider recording raw from an a7siii/fx6 combo and then you should be able to match perfectly and do all the processing yourself
 
ahalpert said:
Yes and no. I would like to have the OPTION to shut off all NR and sharpening. But in practice, it doesn't bother me. Of course, most of the stuff I shoot with the a7siii is HD and intended to be shown SOOC. So, my needs may be different. But I don't even turn the sharpening all the way down, I have it one or two notches above the minimum. And I don't think it looks artificial. Similarly with noise reduction - I might appreciate having it in-camera since the client wants to avoid work in post. If I were shooting at ISO 51,200 or something, then I'd really want to do NR in post instead of in camera. But I don't think I've shot above 25,600 and usually not even that high.

Of course, you can record RAW if you really want to circumvent all processing.

I used to own an S1. The IBIS on the S1 is way better than on the a7siii. Of course, Sony also has the catalyst browse stabilization for fx6 and a7siii, which I haven't tried yet. I think I actually like the color a bit better on the a7siii than on the s1. But the main reason I switched was for autofocus. Otherwise, they feel very similar to me in operation and I use the a7siii exactly as I used the S1. No-crop 4K120p is also a big bonus (well, I mostly just use 4k60p but the S1 can't do that without cropping).

I really want an FX6. But I don't really need one, especially since my FS7 is still in demand. But it would definitely be cool to put the fx6 on a gimbal with the 28-135. Having eND and a LANC controller would be a big step up from my a7siii doing auto ISO on "live" gimbal shots with a 1-speed zoom control on the sony mirrorless remote. still, it would be a noticeable increase in weight. the 28-135 feels heavy on the ronin-s with the a7siii. even my 12-24 f/4 feels heavy on that rig after a while, and going to 12mm is really useful for tight interiors or vertical shooting. and if I'm using the 12-24 on the fx6, then the LANC controller is moot. as you can see, I have to keep talking myself out of buying an FX6

but yeah - i would consider recording raw from an a7siii/fx6 combo and then you should be able to match perfectly and do all the processing yourself
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NR is certainly a minor issue in the grand scheme of things and something I've allowed myself to obsess over. In reality clients have no clue about that stuff unless its a high end job. Its an odd thing for Sony not to allow control over. I suppose they may not want complaints to arise about their cameras being noisy, which is a common complaint in the consumer realm. Another issue is that it can cause blocky looking noise in underexposed areas. Again for normal use its not really an issue. I soppose I am just very happy with my S1 right now and just want a cine-cam body to compliment it and something that will do nice 120fps. I love my RED but I just have become spoiled with dual ISO to the point where I don't think I want to own a camera without the high ISO ability. ND's would just be icing on the cake.
 
DLD said:
A7IV will be coming out any day now ... or the day after ... or ... its positioning on the market matrix is changing. A few months ago, a (rumored) 32 MPX sensor with either 4K or 6K-into-4K seemed reasonable at $2,500. But, if the resolution race is back on, then both Sony and Canon will have something with 80-100 MPX in the $3,500 range, leaving a bit too much of a gap from $2,500 ...
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If I can quote myself.

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/son...we-might-get-the-100mp-sensor-battle-in-2022/

Not sure about his headline but IMX555CQR is 102 MPX (if one goes by Wikipedia). One then wonders if Nikon and Panasonic will also get this hand-me-down IMX 551 from A7RIV.
 
Speculations abound that ex-Olympus will now join the L-alliance. Which will probably mean that Olympus, Sigma, Nikon, Panasonic and Leica will all be using the same hand-me-down Sony sensors. Sony will naturally be keeping the best and the latest for themselves, albeit at a slightly higher price.
 
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Maybe they'll all align against Sony and combine their money to make their own sensors.
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Possible but unlikely, as their combined market share (with Fuji tossed in) is Sonycan's leftovers. And it's going to shrink even further if Sonycan do come out with a few more "statement" models.

IMO, FP L is a pretty decent sign of what's around the corner. Its $3,000 (w/EVF) price is going to be the target for Nikon's Z7III, Panasonic S1RII and, at two grand higher, Leica SL2II. Leica will have the same AF crippling as Panasonic, with only contrast detect, but will look awesome due to its custom color filter array and processing. And its $6,000 manual lenses.

Then, replacing A7RIV will be RV, with 100 MPX at ~ $3,500 and crappy video. Which no one will buy for video.

Another battle area will be the $2,500 price point between A7IV and R6II. AIV could use 10-bit codecs, R6II could use not shutting down and a slightly improved stills performance.
 
Leica SL2-S is getting an AF update soon (with a bunch of other stuff). I'm going to test it to see how it behaves.

"New Autofocus Algorithm"

SL2 doesn't seem like it's getting it. (SL2-S is the video model.)

Only hope that's left with them for video is they are in Germany (Sony sensor or no Sony sensor...they are far away, ha).
 
I stopped reading at page 13, I'll try to catch up in the mean time. Questions that may not have answers:

#1 Will the new fp-L drive the fp prices down?

#2 Is the fp worth having (primarily for video) or not?

I haven't found too much comment on the fp after the v2.0 firmware which added/fixed a few things, and with prices up near used FS5 it makes me pause. Not too interested in the lens platform right now, probably adapt to EF with the MC-21.
 
#1 - Yes, it should.
#2 - No*

*There are better options out there with so many more features. External CDNG is very nice, but most of the new cameras also offer external RAW so it's moot for most.

If the fp did something to make it a bit different like having the CDNG 12-bit internally or full-frame 4K/60p, it would be much more desirable even without AF or IBIS.
 
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