Shutter Speed causing grain

DPbryan

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I just shot a short film on a DVX100, NOT the 100A mind you. A lot of it was shot using a shutter speed of 1/500 of a second, for that strobe effect that everyone is so facisnated with. anyway, now looking at the footage, I am somewhat displeased because it looks somewhat grainy (It's not horrible though because it fits the mood of the short). I went back to the camera and experimented with it. on my DVX100, the video actually gets grainier as the shutter speed gets faster. I was wondering if there is some setting I don't know about, or if they fixed this problem in the 100A model.
 
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That's kind of the same problem with film. The less light you have hitting the CCDs the grainier it will get. Of course I'm not an expert on this subject but I do know a thing or two about a thing or two. It would just make sence why it would get granier. Maybe someone around here knows how to lessen the grain but I think it might be a trade off for using a high shutter speed.
 
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yeah i guess that does make sense. It's like when you're shooting with a film stock with a lower ASA rating, everything is just more grainy. or is it the other way around. anyway, the faster film is grainy and less sharp while the slower film is much clearer and sharper. In film it seems if you wanted to get the stutter effect really nice and clear like in gladiator, you'd want to use a slower film to compensate for the faster shutter speed. I wonder if there's a similar fix for video?
 
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http://www.publishingperfection.com/visual-infinity/vif103/

This is one link that a Google of "grain surgery" uncovered. I read about this SW a few years ago and kinda forgot about it. Be advised, there may be more than one Grain Surgery product. I spotted one for Photoshop and the above for After Effects, but didn't take time to go into a detailed search. From what I remember reading about the SW, it worked wonders. Prob'ly even better today. I think it might even be more affordable, too.

HTH!

LHB
 
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What you see at higher shutter speeds is not noise.The amount of incoming light remains the same because for keeping full signal it's being comensated by wider opening and/or less ND. What you see is aliasing effects on (quasi) still picture details otherwise blurred by the longer opening times.
 
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I feel the strong arm of the "slap barry" aproaching to clear the air . . . . .
 
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Simple test: shoot a uniform white (or gray) piece of paper. Change shutterspeeds, and compensate aperture (and ND) for keeping 100% video, and see what happens. Of course no "gain up" because then you add real noise (grain)
 
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I can agree with Andre. I shot a DVD at 1/500 and the quality was as good as the lighting. The only anomaly was the sparrows darting about.

jmf
 
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