Shooting 24p with both PAL and NTSC HVX cameras

perholmes

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Hi there,

I have a question. I'm working on a project that is mainly done with US HVX-200 cameras running 720p/24pN. I have two cameras.

I'll need to do something in Europe, where in addition to my own two US cameras, I'll be running with 4 or 5 European HVX-200 cameras, and I need to figure out how to mix this footage.

First of all, I should say that sound is being recorded separately using a 4-channel sound card. I have a TC clapper for slating the audio. So no audio needs to be recorded by any camera, although it's nice to use as extra sync references or emergency audio.

Now, I understand that while European HVX-200 cameras don't run 24 fps, the Scene File hack allows these cameras to run a European version of 24 fps, resulting in 24.0333333 instead of 23.976. This would result in a drift of 0.15 seconds every minute. I could probably live with that, although it would mean that I'd have to adjust sync quite often on takes running longer than a few minutes. I would also have to slate every single take, and not rely on any TC free run (i.e. I can't just sync the first clip and use the media-TC for finding subsequent start points).

My question is, does anyone have any experience with this? Has anyone tried shooting with both European and US HVX cameras and mixing them in a 24p project.

Finally, the FCP project has a timebase of 23.98, and I understand that even if you can force the European camera to almost run 24 fps, it still has to be recorded into the 720p/25pN codec. Does this mean that every frame has the wrong time stamp when I import it? Can I reset the frame-rate to 23.976 before I place them on the FCP timeline, so that I know that a frame in the clip = a frame on the timeline?

Any help would be much appreciated. I'm not prepared to dump the two HVX cameras I have and buy European models, because it would be money out the window, and I need to start producing things on the US side now -- the European stuff is a year from now.

On the upside, I haven't chosen a project framerate yet, although I assume it'll be 24 (23.976). But that does leave the possibiliy of instead using the US cameras to try to match the European cameras. However, I have read that the Scene File hack causes an error in US cameras if you try to do 25fps.

Any help would be much appreciated!

Best,

Per
 
Hey !
European cameras are frequency SWITCHABLE !! they can do euro 50Hz as well as us 60Hz !!
switch to the 60Hz mode and BOOM ! you get the 24p !

Have fun !
 
Woa, I didn't expect that! Do you have any experience of HVX-200s being switchable? I'm sifting through EU manuals, and I'm finding no mention of it. That would be huge.

Best,

Per
 
Hi there,

OK, that's very interesting. Do you know off the top of your head which ones are? Or do you know how I would find out? However, I need to stay on the "low-end" of cameras, such as HVX-200, because it benefits me more to have more cameras. I do have to stick to a P2 workflow, and all cameras have to be doing 720p at 24p.

Best,

Per
 
Yes, sorry I answered too quickly, I was talking about the HPX-171E (like the one I own), It basically is like a VHX but w/o the tape recorder.
If you are shooting in Paris, France, I know an address where you can rent some Hpx-171E.
 
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