Shoot music video with Sony FS700 w/kit Lens, or AF100 w/Nokton 25mm + more?

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filmguy123

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I have an AF100 with Nokton 25mm f/0.95, Oly 12mm, Minolta Rokkor-X 50mm f/1.7, Nikkon 85mm f/2.0 and some more.

Also have access to FS700 with Kit Lens... though no budget and no access to any rental gear.

I also know the larger sensor is really nice on the Sony and the camera is newer. Would you recommend given the lenses, to shoot on the FS700 the bulk of shots? Or better off to just use FS700 for extreme slow motion, and the AF100 for main shooting?
 
Anyone? The main thing I am wondering is the current consensus of FS700 image quality to AF100, especially given lens differences.

Also, how do the FS700 and AF100 cut together? What about with Mark II/III?
 
What is the lighting on the set going to be? Super bright or rather dim? If you know this in advance, I would do a test shoot with each camera in the same lighting conditions. Whichever footage looks better will get the nod. I have read numerous times that the FS700 produces nice footage, even in lower light, and if you're going to do any slow-mo, this should probably be your camera of choice.

Dave
 
Is this for your music video shoot this Saturday the 8th?

If so, and I don't want to come off sounding like the grouchy old man, which of course I really am, but judging from the other threads you have posted about this shoot, you are not prepared!!!

DIY Pyrotechnics in a grassy field without any trained & licensed personal or the proper safety gear?

Production Insurance for this shoot? Remember all the waivers in the world will not stop somebody from suing you if an accident happened.

3 days out and your are not even sure what camera you should use?

If it were me, I would likely use both cameras, but since it's not, I'll just offer up this advice, take it or leave it!

When it comes to your productions - Remember the 7 P's

Piss Poor Prior Planning Prevents Positive Production


All the best!

Dave
 
David Jones - Yeah I've done a lot of shoots, we're actually pretty well prepared. Recently got offered the FS700 was originally planning to use my AF100. But thanks for the advice!

The lighting conditions will be CLEAR AND SUNNY and everything is outdoors OR semi-indoors in a barn, but the barn lets in a lot of natural light. The FS700 will definitely be used for all super slow motion shots. Wondering how much to utilize it if we don't have a good lens kit, VS a good lens kit on the AF100.

Also, if we do get a good lens kit, how well inter-cuts with AF100. We also have a few Mark IIs.

Basically, I'm wondering if other than the super-slow mo if anyone can give feedback as to how big of a difference in image quality there is with the FS700's larger sensor.
 
You've got maybe a stop of additional dynamic range with the Sony, and the highlight roll-off is nicer. To me, those two factors are the most important things in image quality (alongside good colour rendition).

So the FS700 has better IQ (as it should given the price difference), and the better slow-motion ability. However if you're not used to it, and not used to exposing and getting the best out of it - I'd probably suggest sticking with what you know, since you'll be in a better position to get the best out of it.
 
Grug said:
You've got maybe a stop of additional dynamic range with the Sony, and the highlight roll-off is nicer. To me, those two factors are the most important things in image quality (alongside good colour rendition).

So the FS700 has better IQ (as it should given the price difference), and the better slow-motion ability. However if you're not used to it, and not used to exposing and getting the best out of it - I'd probably suggest sticking with what you know, since you'll be in a better position to get the best out of it.
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Thank you for both the good technical information and good advice!
 
filmguy123 said:
David Jones - Yeah I've done a lot of shoots, we're actually pretty well prepared. Recently got offered the FS700 was originally planning to use my AF100. But thanks for the advice!

The lighting conditions will be CLEAR AND SUNNY and everything is outdoors OR semi-indoors in a barn, but the barn lets in a lot of natural light. The FS700 will definitely be used for all super slow motion shots. Wondering how much to utilize it if we don't have a good lens kit, VS a good lens kit on the AF100.

Also, if we do get a good lens kit, how well inter-cuts with AF100. We also have a few Mark IIs.

Basically, I'm wondering if other than the super-slow mo if anyone can give feedback as to how big of a difference in image quality there is with the FS700's larger sensor.
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The sensor is better, but IMO, your 25mm 0.95 on the AF100 will look better than the FS and kit lens. I've shot with the FS700, kit lens and a Nikon 50mm 1.4 and to me, just like on our AF100, I feel like the lens gives you more "mojo" than the camera.

The FS700 super slo mo is amazing! But, AF100 1080p24/60 is honestly really good and will generally get you enough of the slow motion you need. If you can have both on set with good DPs, go for it. Best choice. If not, go with the AF100 for better lenses and camera familiarity.
 
OK, the guy providing the FS700 is super cool/chill but doesn't want to let the FS700 out of his hands too much since his company owns it. Understandable. He's a pretty competent operator but his work as a DP is more technically competent than aesthetically impressive, so I'm wary about directing and entrusting him as camera op/DP. I really like my stuff better, and controlling the camera myself. However, he is proficient w/FS700.

As director and DP for last 10+ years, I always run main camera. So I've got two options:

1.) Use a monitor and let him shoot the main stuff with me directing him
2.) Run the primary camera as AF100 and let him shoot B-Camera, and then direct him closely via monitor for all super-slow motion 240fps stuff

I haven't been in this position for quite a long time and haven't worked with this guy before.

Thoughts/advice?
 
I've shot with an AF100 for two years, just replaced it with an FS700 last week. It's not difficult going from the AF to the Sony. Biggest thing is getting used to the exposure wheel going opposite direction and buttons not in the same place- otherwise, pretty easy. I use picture profile 1 and I believe it will intercut well with a basic AF100 profile with minimal tweaking. Resolution is similar, highlight handling much improved on the Sony (and I haven't even tried Cinegamma 4 which is supposed to be even better). LCD along with peaking and expanded feature is better for nailing focus, one of my biggest complaints on the AF. Slow motion is nothing short of amazing - definitely plan on the Sony for that. If you had time to order a couple of cheap adaptors, you could use any of those lenses on the FS700. Best bet without spending a lot is Fotodiox. All in all I'm glad I spent the extra bucks and got an FS700. But the AF is still a killer camera at a giveaway price used.
 
David W. Jones said:
Is this for your music video shoot this Saturday the 8th?

If so, and I don't want to come off sounding like the grouchy old man, which of course I really am, but judging from the other threads you have posted about this shoot, you are not prepared!!!

DIY Pyrotechnics in a grassy field without any trained & licensed personal or the proper safety gear?

Production Insurance for this shoot? Remember all the waivers in the world will not stop somebody from suing you if an accident happened.

3 days out and your are not even sure what camera you should use?

If it were me, I would likely use both cameras, but since it's not, I'll just offer up this advice, take it or leave it!

When it comes to your productions - Remember the 7 P's

Piss Poor Prior Planning Prevents Positive Production


All the best!

Dave
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Very poor and not needed reply......

Many times in production ESPECIALLY the Music Industry many decisions are made on the spot. It's very common to be notified to shoot a project with only a couple of days notice to even same day.

Now my reply to the OP I would use both cameras, AF100 for Close Ups and Fs700 for all of the cool slow motion shots and regular wides even though the AF100 should perform great as well.
 
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