Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
[quote author=sjz55 link=board=nws;num=1067267829;start=25#34 date=10/29/03 at 14:34:15]I have no info on this at all just an opinion...Before they release a 5K version of the dvx100 I think Panny needs to address
Steve[/quote]
jvc and panasonic are two companies under the "mother company" matsushita japan... no reason for matsushita* to compete itself.
looks like JVC will focus on consumer HD, while pana will focus on progressive scan.. until HD becomes a more common standard and will surely support progressive. . . .
*matsush1ta
[quote author=sjz55 link=board=nws;num=1067267829;start=25#34 date=10/29/03 at 14:34:15]I have no info on this at all just an opinion...Before they release a 5K version of the dvx100 I think Panny needs to address
Steve[/quote]
jvc and panasonic are two companies under the "mother company" matsushita japan... no reason for matsushita* to compete itself.
looks like JVC will focus on consumer HD, while pana will focus on progressive scan.. until HD becomes a more common standard and will surely support progressive. . . .
*matsush1ta
Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
bgundu, this is what I'm saying
If you import 4:3 footage into an editing program then export it as widescreen back to tape or other most non-computer mediums, you'll see what I mean. When you view widescreen footage in post in the correct pixel aspect ratio, this is purely done so we get a simulation of what it'll look on a widescreen TV. Anyway, maybe I should of explained what I meant a bit clearer, but that's not the reason of this thread so I'll stop while I'm ahead
Back on topic; if the 4:3->16:9 conversion is done before being processed to NTSC/PAL resolution (immediately after the 410k CCD capture), then we may see promising results. Of course, they'll need a proven algorithmic upsampling method like Vegas to pull it off without obvious pixel interpolation.
I'm not quite sure I'll be /that/ interested in the DVX100A to be honest. Exporting in stretched widescreen to tape may be beneficial for a few people, but as most people /edit/ their footage, applying a 4:3->16:9 conversion with flexible options in post isn't worth the $5k price tag in my opinion. Of course, the extra film modes will be the most intriguing new feature of the DVX100A. Although this could be new presets which are already possible by tweaking the scene files. At the moment, I think it's far too early to start speculating whether this will be worth the extra cost. We don't know how much better the color reproduction is, we don't know for certain what 4:3->16:9 methods will be in place, and we don't know when it'll be out or what the price tag will be.
But it must be said, it's very exciting to hear that a DVX100 successor is a possibility.
bgundu, this is what I'm saying
If you import 4:3 footage into an editing program then export it as widescreen back to tape or other most non-computer mediums, you'll see what I mean. When you view widescreen footage in post in the correct pixel aspect ratio, this is purely done so we get a simulation of what it'll look on a widescreen TV. Anyway, maybe I should of explained what I meant a bit clearer, but that's not the reason of this thread so I'll stop while I'm ahead
Back on topic; if the 4:3->16:9 conversion is done before being processed to NTSC/PAL resolution (immediately after the 410k CCD capture), then we may see promising results. Of course, they'll need a proven algorithmic upsampling method like Vegas to pull it off without obvious pixel interpolation.
I'm not quite sure I'll be /that/ interested in the DVX100A to be honest. Exporting in stretched widescreen to tape may be beneficial for a few people, but as most people /edit/ their footage, applying a 4:3->16:9 conversion with flexible options in post isn't worth the $5k price tag in my opinion. Of course, the extra film modes will be the most intriguing new feature of the DVX100A. Although this could be new presets which are already possible by tweaking the scene files. At the moment, I think it's far too early to start speculating whether this will be worth the extra cost. We don't know how much better the color reproduction is, we don't know for certain what 4:3->16:9 methods will be in place, and we don't know when it'll be out or what the price tag will be.
But it must be said, it's very exciting to hear that a DVX100 successor is a possibility.
Flintstone
Well-known member
Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
If most of the changes to the new DVX100A are software, does that mean that existing DVX100 can be upgraded? Has anyone ever upgraded their firmware before? Do you think Panasonic would offer an upgrade path?
If most of the changes to the new DVX100A are software, does that mean that existing DVX100 can be upgraded? Has anyone ever upgraded their firmware before? Do you think Panasonic would offer an upgrade path?
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Zoomforce
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Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
The canon XL1S was basically a software upgrade as well... I dont think The DVX will be upgradable through software.. it just doesnt make economic sense to panasonic... unless they charged $1000 or so for the upgrade.
The canon XL1S was basically a software upgrade as well... I dont think The DVX will be upgradable through software.. it just doesnt make economic sense to panasonic... unless they charged $1000 or so for the upgrade.
Flintstone
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Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
Well, maybe not $1000, since there are some hardware improvements to the 100A, but I'd certainly consider a $250 upgrade if it would be available.
This is easy money for Panasonic too, since most users will certainly not trade in their new DVX for an 100A model (it makes no monetary sense); might as well get the most out of the current user install base by offering the upgrade as an option.
By the way, any new developments on this vaporware sencond gen DVX?
Well, maybe not $1000, since there are some hardware improvements to the 100A, but I'd certainly consider a $250 upgrade if it would be available.
This is easy money for Panasonic too, since most users will certainly not trade in their new DVX for an 100A model (it makes no monetary sense); might as well get the most out of the current user install base by offering the upgrade as an option.
By the way, any new developments on this vaporware sencond gen DVX?
Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
Well, I was looking to add a second DVX to my arsenal, so this is good news for me, if true -- prices should drop dramatically.
Well, I was looking to add a second DVX to my arsenal, so this is good news for me, if true -- prices should drop dramatically.
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Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
"Vaporware" is indeed the operative term.
I still think this is a completely baseless rumor started at a user group. Now 2-pop is reporting that the moderator of some board has "confirmed" that this is completely accurate information, and that the camera will be introduced at Interbee 2003.
I went to the Interbee site -- Panasonic isn't even listed as an exhibitor! Neither is Matsushita.
I still stand by my original statement: it isn't happening. It makes no sense. Panasonic is selling every DVX100 they can make. Canon just introduced a $500 rebate on the XL1s because they're getting slaughtered in sales. Sony just replaced the PD150 and VX2000 because they're getting slaughtered in sales.
There is no reason for Panasonic to change the DVX100, and there is NO WAY ON EARTH that they would "drop" 60i. NO WAY.
Manufacturers make money by mass-producing the existing product and selling in bulk. They won't make a change until they have to make a change. And they don't have to. So they won't. Someday they'll have to, and they will, and there will be a future DVX200 or something, but that day is still a long way off.
Of course, Interbee is three weeks away, so we'll all know soon enough whether there was any truth to this introduction. But I still think it's a "wish list" for what those users would want to see in a future version, not a product announcement of something that's imminent.
"Vaporware" is indeed the operative term.
I still think this is a completely baseless rumor started at a user group. Now 2-pop is reporting that the moderator of some board has "confirmed" that this is completely accurate information, and that the camera will be introduced at Interbee 2003.
I went to the Interbee site -- Panasonic isn't even listed as an exhibitor! Neither is Matsushita.
I still stand by my original statement: it isn't happening. It makes no sense. Panasonic is selling every DVX100 they can make. Canon just introduced a $500 rebate on the XL1s because they're getting slaughtered in sales. Sony just replaced the PD150 and VX2000 because they're getting slaughtered in sales.
There is no reason for Panasonic to change the DVX100, and there is NO WAY ON EARTH that they would "drop" 60i. NO WAY.
Manufacturers make money by mass-producing the existing product and selling in bulk. They won't make a change until they have to make a change. And they don't have to. So they won't. Someday they'll have to, and they will, and there will be a future DVX200 or something, but that day is still a long way off.
Of course, Interbee is three weeks away, so we'll all know soon enough whether there was any truth to this introduction. But I still think it's a "wish list" for what those users would want to see in a future version, not a product announcement of something that's imminent.
Flintstone
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Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
Well then, Interbee... three weeks... I guess we will all see if there is any basis of truth to this rumored DVX100A.
Well then, Interbee... three weeks... I guess we will all see if there is any basis of truth to this rumored DVX100A.
Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
Barry - I agree about it being doubtful they'll drop 60i - unless that is technically necessary to use, for example, gain/ autofocus with the progressive modes (or whatever). But I disagree that Panasonic won't do anything "unless they have to." Clearly a lot of engineering / innovation went into the original DVX. Yes, big consumer electronics companies are driven by marketing, but what better than refinements of an already successful product to boost 2nd year sales? Maybe the original DVX was a compromise of this vision and the advanced version is the one they really wanted to release - but marketing said, let's test the water first. Who knows - it's all speculation on our part. But releasing an advanced version of a successful camera one year after its initial release just keeps them ahead of the curve. Engineers love making this stuff - and marketing benefits by having new specs to sell.
Barry - I agree about it being doubtful they'll drop 60i - unless that is technically necessary to use, for example, gain/ autofocus with the progressive modes (or whatever). But I disagree that Panasonic won't do anything "unless they have to." Clearly a lot of engineering / innovation went into the original DVX. Yes, big consumer electronics companies are driven by marketing, but what better than refinements of an already successful product to boost 2nd year sales? Maybe the original DVX was a compromise of this vision and the advanced version is the one they really wanted to release - but marketing said, let's test the water first. Who knows - it's all speculation on our part. But releasing an advanced version of a successful camera one year after its initial release just keeps them ahead of the curve. Engineers love making this stuff - and marketing benefits by having new specs to sell.
Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
With all the forums dedicated to the DVX100, why the heck can't someone somewhere get an official confirmation from a Panasonic rep? I mean, if it's not true, then why doesn't Panasonic just step in and say so. If it is...then why don't they just.......oh wait. Well, ........there's your answer. ;D
With all the forums dedicated to the DVX100, why the heck can't someone somewhere get an official confirmation from a Panasonic rep? I mean, if it's not true, then why doesn't Panasonic just step in and say so. If it is...then why don't they just.......oh wait. Well, ........there's your answer. ;D
justinsullivan
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Re: Second Generation DVX-100?
[quote author=iamloser link=board=nws;num=1067267829;start=25#49 date=11/01/03 at 10:01:05]this halloween is going to be the greatest.. and the great pumpkin will rise up from the pumkin patch and fly through the air bringing a dvx100a to all the children who belive..
youll see charlie brown.youll see
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HA-HA!!! Very well put.
[quote author=iamloser link=board=nws;num=1067267829;start=25#49 date=11/01/03 at 10:01:05]this halloween is going to be the greatest.. and the great pumpkin will rise up from the pumkin patch and fly through the air bringing a dvx100a to all the children who belive..
youll see charlie brown.youll see
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HA-HA!!! Very well put.