Buck Forester
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I'm emailing Sony and Panasonic right now to see what their plans are for their 2010 models. I'll let you know when I hear back. :Þ
SCARLET / EPIC swiss army knife camera details announced
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I'm emailing Sony and Panasonic right now to see what their plans are for their 2010 models. I'll let you know when I hear back. :Þ
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The S35 Imager is not limited to 5k @ 30FPS. It clearly states that the specs listed are max Res and FPS. Naturally, just like the RED ONE, you'll be able to "window" down to 4k @ say 60fps or 3k @ 120fps.
The hot ticket and the most practical one is the S35 Scarlet and Epic "brains".
adkimery
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I think that was more of a problem of some rapid Red fans who want to have their cake and eat it too. I mean, seriously, how realistic is a complete out of the box, 'no compromise', 3k shooting solution for only $3k? Before the Scarlet 'revamp' I figured a 'shootable' Scarlet would start around the $6k price range. Still around the sweet spot for a prosumer camera, but obviously much higher than the $3k price. Kinda like how many people were bummed that $17.5k only got your the Red One body.
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Barry_Green
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But a Red One can't do more than 30fps at 4K. The Scarlet is offering to shave $10,000 off the price and give you 30fps at 5K. It's doing *more* than the Red One, at least in this isolated incident.
It almost certainly will (understanding that all specs are subject to change). But, as the Red One does, you won't likely be getting full-frame S35 at that size. Red One drops down to about 720p resolution and a 16mm frame size to deliver 120fps. It would seem reasonable, in lack of evidence to the contrary, to expect that the Scarlet would have to perform similarly.
DChang
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Except that none of the competition announces anything. Unless you count Canon's A1 "upgrade". This is real competition, companies like Red actually moving things forward.
SomewhereinLA
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I have got to say, I was never a Red fanboy...but the second offering from red is, at least on paper, very promising. It also bring back the idea of making a hi end "movie" camera that is to be affordable for "prosumers (the masses : ) ", which I sought the first red didn't really accomplished. Of course We have yet to see how everything works and how much each of the camera models really cost once properly equipped to actually shoot something.... But if red can keep it in the 6-7k for a working kit, and if it deliver on the image quality, I really think that we could have a winner...
I do have to say that I was really hoping for a compact camera, which is what the scarlet was supposed to be at the very beginning, I am still looking for something I can just throw in my back pack and carry around all the time... I guess the D90 will have to do for now.
I wonder what the other players are going to come up with, especially Canon and Nikon... I guess NAB is going to be very interesting this year.
If anything, I am delighted to see how far Digital video has come, and how exciting the new direction is going, I really think we are entering a new era of story telling.
I do have to say that I was really hoping for a compact camera, which is what the scarlet was supposed to be at the very beginning, I am still looking for something I can just throw in my back pack and carry around all the time... I guess the D90 will have to do for now.
I wonder what the other players are going to come up with, especially Canon and Nikon... I guess NAB is going to be very interesting this year.
If anything, I am delighted to see how far Digital video has come, and how exciting the new direction is going, I really think we are entering a new era of story telling.
SomewhereinLA
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I actually don't think the A1 is the competition, I think by Nikon, introducing the D90 and Canon, the 5d Mark II both companies are hinting a drastic change in thinking about video and digital photography.
Adam J McKay
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Your right I wasn't getting that at all. Seriously, that changes my view point. I was confused that they would do that only offer 5k at frame rates up to 30p. I was an idiot and retract my previous beef. The beef has become a delicious perfectly cooked steak with a side of the best beer belgium has to offer and I can't wait to eat it. Once school is done.
Thanks for clearing that up.
There is still a Scarlet 2/3 fixed lens camera, which will probably be in the 3k range. Further, the original Scarlet was always set to be out in 2009 so the timetables have not changed according to Red.
DChang
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The competition is anyone who manufactures a video camera. You're telling me that two digital still cameras changed everything for Sony & Panasonic's video cameras? I'm thinking along the lines of what Red's offerings will do to Sony & Panasonic. Everyone's going crazy about the action, I'm waiting for the reaction.
Rubbersquare
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i can't wait to see if canon will just allow manual control during video, add the option for 1-30fps and save as uncompressed footage. then it WOULD be a damn nice camera. all except the uncompressed/raw footage is pretty much there for a 2K full frame digital cinema camera with interchangeable lenses. for $3000. i'd rather have 2K at $3,000 NOW then wait 6 months or so for the same thing.
yes?
oh, and a faster refresh on the CMOS to eliminate the rolling shutter. i don't see how they can't - if they want - make that happen in 6 months.
yes?
oh, and a faster refresh on the CMOS to eliminate the rolling shutter. i don't see how they can't - if they want - make that happen in 6 months.
Unrealistic. honestly, the MKII is probably already, or at least mostly, set in stone. Going back to it is just wishful thinking. Looking forward to the next releases from Nikon and Canon are plausible, but I don't think they'll bring anything to the table soon enough.
Nikon truly is the only one that stands to gain if they suddenly pop up with a full blown 35mm Sized Sensor camera. Or, like someone else said, a DX sensor camera. Canon? Close second.
As skeptical as I am toward the RED hype machine, I think perhaps they may make it on time to really do some damage.
Nikon truly is the only one that stands to gain if they suddenly pop up with a full blown 35mm Sized Sensor camera. Or, like someone else said, a DX sensor camera. Canon? Close second.
As skeptical as I am toward the RED hype machine, I think perhaps they may make it on time to really do some damage.
SomewhereinLA
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Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. And Red won't do much to Sony and Panasonic bottom line because their camera doesn't really compete with Sony or Panasonic offering. Company such as sony make most of their money from Broadcast and consumer equipment. The so called "prosumer" market is a really tiny market, more of a niche really.
Rubbersquare
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i didn't mean to change the MKII, i meant for their next release. based on the technology in the MKII, canon could easily match the scarlet S35 by next spring/summer, possibly even the scarlet FF35. again, IF they wanted to. but i am just guessing.
i think, if anything, RED has drawn a line in the sand. if canon or nikon wants to compete, they know what they need to do. but canon will move units at wal-mart, where RED won't, so they might just be happy to appease the soccer moms and keep moving slowly. it'll be interesting to see where it all heads - which is only better and cheaper.
SomewhereinLA
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I agree, but you need to look at those cameras with a wider vision here... I think we need to look at those cameras as both company testing the ground... And none of them are claiming to be the new "video camera solution" but they know that they have the right idea, and a few month from now I believe they will be coming with something that could really be a game changer. whenever I see footage from the D5 mark 2, my jaw literally drops and some of the D90 footage I have seen was unbelievable as well... Results I have never seen before on video. If anything I probably will never buy a video camera again... Who needs a camera video + 35mm adaptors that require a tone of lights when you can get something compact that fit in your bag-pack and gives you result that are so close to film it's scary?
Justin Kuhn
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I wonder if there's a place to plug in a Pocket Wizard.
The problem is that you aren't seeing this stuff at Full Resolution. That's where it really matters if you plan on using it for more than just hobbies. That's my take on it, anyway.
So, yeah, in the future if these two companies have the ability to address the needs of our niche they could be great. That includes full manual control, professional audio inputs and a semi-professional acquisition format all in one. Not to mention at LEAST 24 and 30p switchable. We lived without 60p and such for a while, no problem, but the exclusion of 24p is just asking for trouble.
So, right now? These two cameras can't truly work professionally but can be considered by hobbyists and for experimental shooting. If Jim and Co get their acts together and stop trying to conquer the world before they conquer the mountain (I.E bring us S35 Scarlet and Epic NOW not LATER) then it probably won't matter what they do. The Niche will be sewed up with $12,000 Scarlet Users shooting 5k @ 60p, PL mount options and a host of other things and being completely complacent with it. Those of us who shelled out for the Letus Ultimate setups will be migrating immediately, using CS3/4 to post or even ProRes for projects that only need to be mastered in HD. The option is pre-installed thanks to the labor, wheeling, dealing and commotion RED has caused over the past while.
It's hard to say, but I may never buy another camera after Scarlet. 2K @ 60p, Interchangeable lenses and a decent acquisition format was enough for me.
The first three months were some of the busiest for red #81. I'll be a beta tester for camera as long as i'm making some $$$
Ematic
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The best part in all this is Sony, Panasonic, Canon and all these other companies are probably running around like chickens without heads thinking how are we going to compete??
Ultimately weather you hate or love Red we all need to thank them because they have done something huge for us. They forced competition on these huge companies. Competition means better products for us at a cheaper price.
Ultimately weather you hate or love Red we all need to thank them because they have done something huge for us. They forced competition on these huge companies. Competition means better products for us at a cheaper price.