Salt Lake City 4 camera test

Brian Petersen

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Someone posted on the Cinemek forum about a 4 camera test in Salt Lake City where reps from each of the four companies were there! (At least I think it was in SLC. That's what his "location" is). He posted his thoughts at this link:

http://www.cinemek.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=339

Here's his take on resolution of the HVX:
"I thought Panasonic's weakness would be it's fixed lens, but it actually outperformed the JVC (over 750+ lines of horizontal resolution)."

750+ Really? I hope that is true.

And then there's this statment. I don't really know what it means:
"The variable framerate and 60p progressive was a blast to play with! The rep mentioned that the luminance (no chroma) is upsampled to 1920x1080 to improve resolution before compression to DVCproHD. "

Don't know if those two statements are linked, but I didn't understand what he was talking about in the 2nd sentance.

Then there's this on the Canon:
"Canon's optics, of course, blew everyone away...with over a stop and a half of lower light performance (even with more pixel count than the other cameras) and more horizontal resolution than the Panasonic (800+, the theoretical limit for HD, I was told!)"

More than a stop and half lower light performace? That wasn't the same as what we've been hearing about the shoot-out, is it?

And what's the deal with this "theoretical limit for HD"?

Anyway, thought I'd pass it along because this "shoot-out" review reads a lot different than the ones we've been reading. Can things really vary this much from shoot out to shoot out?
 
See, we really do have to wait around and see how all the dust settles. The jury's going to be out for a while yet.

Noise this, resolution that. Tomorrow it'll be something else.

What we need are a few thousand cameras in people's hands. (Or, lacking that, one in my hand will do fine. :laugh: )
 
Tell you what, one of you guys with these res charts hand over your camera to me and I'll go shoot something real with it.
 
Brian Petersen said:
Here's his take on resolution of the HVX:
"I thought Panasonic's weakness would be it's fixed lens, but it actually outperformed the JVC (over 750+ lines of horizontal resolution)."

750+ Really? I hope that is true.

I dunno if it's true, but after this statement sure Barry Green could marry this guy!:grin:
Or if anyone proves me that is true I will marry Barry Green!:grin:
LOL

Well know scientific test made by the great Barry and company show less orizzontal resolution, so I think behind this statement there's Tosh, he's lookin' to be re-employed by Panasonic, too much long holydays...LOL!:grin: :grin:

Hey Tosh! What ya did in the holydays? Eh eh!
He sure was fired cause he has shot some *gangbang* at 60p following Kewin Smith's suggestions...:grin: :grin:
He wanted just discover the really advantage of variable framerates!:thumbsup:
 
Man.. that comes off bad. Is it that you are trying to be funny? .. or the 2nd language thing here? or is it just plain weird and obtuse? I get ya dig the Canon and time to buy it and shut the...

Danilo Del Tufo said:
I dunno if it's true, but after this statement sure Barry Green could marry this guy!:grin:
Or if anyone proves me that is true I will marry Barry Green!:grin:
LOL

Well know scientific test made by the great Barry and company show less orizzontal resolution, so I think behind this statement there's Tosh, he's lookin' to be re-employed by Panasonic, too much long holydays...LOL!:grin: :grin:

Hey Tosh! What ya did in the holydays? Eh eh!
He sure was fired cause he has shot some *gangbang* at 60p following Kewin Smith's suggestions...:grin: :grin:
He wanted just discover the really advantage of variable framerates!:thumbsup:
 
Justyn said:
Man.. that comes off bad. Is it that you are trying to be funny? .. or the 2nd language thing here? or is it just plain weird and obtuse? I get ya dig the Canon and time to buy it and shut the...

Nope! Just humor! :grin: What violence here! I must *shut* my ...my...fingertips...right?:)
I'm italian and despite dunno a word of english try enjoy the community, adapting native italian thoughts (more funny) to different culture.
So...where's my master's degree to do such hard things?:grin:
I'm waitin' Hvx200 too, here in Pal Land, we have much patience than Usa customers, for sure!:engel017:
Canon Xl h1 is good camera too, don't you think?:thumbsup:
 
Don't worry Justyn!... Danilo is...well, is Danilo! He is «the» must among us... Seriously? A real cool italiano not just a guy!...
 
Justyn said:
Man.. that comes off bad. Is it that you are trying to be funny? .. or the 2nd language thing here? or is it just plain weird and obtuse? I get ya dig the Canon and time to buy it and shut the...
You can't hurt someone's feelings if they don't even exist. Besides, Tosh said he'd be back in January with lots of raw files and clips to play with... I suppose he's got three days to get them up, but I think Danilo's right about the extended holiday.

Anyway, the post was obviously made in jest, don't stress about it. Seems like everyone's on pins and needles around here lately...
 
Haakon said:
You can't hurt someone's feelings if they don't even exist. Besides, Tosh said he'd be back in January with lots of raw files and clips to play with... I suppose he's got three days to get them up, but I think Danilo's right about the extended holiday.

Anyway, the post was obviously made in jest, don't stress about it. Seems like everyone's on pins and needles around here lately...

It's Sega versus Super Nintendo all over again.
 
Haakon said:
You can't hurt someone's feelings if they don't even exist. Besides, Tosh said he'd be back in January with lots of raw files and clips to play with... I suppose he's got three days to get them up, but I think Danilo's right about the extended holiday.

Anyway, the post was obviously made in jest, don't stress about it. Seems like everyone's on pins and needles around here lately...
Well said...just GOOD italian humor...
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Canon Xl h1 is good camera too, don't you think?:thumbsup:
A little bit more videoish that I would like...that blowlighting@highlights...

...well or am I wrong and this LINK clear-up all doubts?

There is a open thread here. Participate there if you wish!
 
Sounds good then. Yes, people are on edge here. Lots of stuff flying around. I do think the canon is a good camera, but not for me right now. If I were shooting more live events and stuff for TV then possibly. I do think it's built like a tank.. and I do like the buttons and ease of use... but Damn it man, that lens... again with the lens business .. the floating zoom is a nightmare. Also is the viewfinder switchable to black and white?

Congrats on being an ITalian. I had pasta tonight... it was bella .. I'm off here.

I took Italian in college, but only to pick up a chick I liked. I was terrible. I remember conjugating the work to make... whatever it is.. well it sounds like our big old F bomb of a curse and would make everyone crack up...

I can speak French but that's only because I had to living in Montreal.
 
Sounds good then. Yes, people are on edge here. Lots of stuff flying around. I do think the canon is a good camera, but not for me right now. If I were shooting more live events and stuff for TV then possibly. I do think it's built like a tank.. and I do like the buttons and ease of use... but Damn it man, that lens... again with the lens business .. the floating zoom is a nightmare. Also is the viewfinder switchable to black and white?

Congrats on being an ITalian. I had pasta tonight... it was bella .. I'm off here.

I took Italian in college, but only to pick up a chick I liked. I was terrible. I remember conjugating the work to make... whatever it is.. well it sounds like our big old F bomb of a curse and would make everyone crack up...

I can speak French but that's only because I had to living in Montreal.
 
Justyn said:
I took Italian in college, but only to pick up a chick I liked.


If you like italian girls, there is one famous to be a :evil: *good girl*:evil: , he has wrote a book that is wellknow also outside Italy:
click ther for her portrait :
http://www.riesforlag.dk/images/hi-res/MelissaP1.jpg
In Italy a movie was shot about her, you can try to find, is "Melissa P.", LOL!
You can fall in love with her and have sure success, she really loves men, evr'y men on the earth!
Hey Emanuel, do you know Melissa P.? LOL
Sure is a good thing to watch waiting for new info and footage of Hvx200!:evil:
 
The Salt Lake Show was hosted by TV Specialists. Ted Boellinger is one of the smartest guys I know and it was his technical expertise driving the show. I was hoping to be at that show, but my broken knee situation dictated more about what I was going to do for the day. I am sure that whatever Ted showed he can more than substantiate. He has been in this business longer than most of us here. And is honest as the day is long. Super human being. Wish there were more like him.

Best,

jan
 
Ah Jan! I hope you're fine now! I'm worried about your accident happened in Colorado.
I see your messages here, your images on the web and I feel as I know you personally despite the distance.:embarasse
I hope you're fine now!:thumbsup:

When you will be fine, I hope you can provide us a link where this test charts are explained. Now just think to be fine.
Your help is much appreciated by me :thumbsup:

Take care of yourself and relax!:engel017:
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Ah Jan! I hope you're fine now! I'm worried about your accident happened in Colorado.

Hi Danilo... she was hurt in the state of Utah at the Sundance Festival, not in Colorado.

We in Colorado would have protected her better. :)

Jim Arthurs
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
The Salt Lake Show was hosted by TV Specialists. Ted Boellinger is one of the smartest guys I know and it was his technical expertise driving the show.... He has been in this business longer than most of us here. And is honest as the day is long. Super human being. Wish there were more like him.

Best,

jan

Since suspicion of "New User"s report is appaerently the main issue here, I'm looking fwd to hearing from someone who has talked to Mr. Bollelliner or someone who worked with him on the test, so that we can really take these results into account.

And Jan, happy healing!
 
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