S1H - Anyone thinking about selling for A7s3- thoughts

The Sony tempts me, but I trust the S1H too much. In favor of the Sony are AF, slower slow motion, no crop, smaller and lighter.

In favor of the S1H - I think the ergos are still going to be superior, physically with button layout, but also in menus. What Panny has done here is just so good. I also have zero reliability fears, this thing is truly a professional camera body that is a tank. No record limits, no overheating, no problems. Just superb. The log curve is very easy to grade, and the higher resolution sensor is a trade off with the Sony - but I think I tip the hat to the higher resolution.

Why? Well; I’ve always been all for the lower res and higher lowlight but the S1H lowlight is so good at this point, the professional uses for needing even more lowlight are extremely limited. On the other hand, the functionality of cropping between APS-C and FF is overlooked quite a bit and I find it immensely helpful. Further, capturing at high resolution allows a true 4K image and that is finally becoming more valuable.

If I really thought I’d use 120fps a lot, or needed AF, I’d be tempted over - but practically speaking the S1H has got it where it counts. I love the platform and I suspect at Panasonic’s rate of release I’ll be better off upgrading to the S1H successor. Either way, though, I’d wait 3 months after Sony’s launch to hear real world reports on ergos, overheating, and other quirks before switching platforms. Let the hype die first - speaking from experience of feeling burned a few times. Real world pragmatism of tool > exciting spec sheet.
 
I really have to say that the s1h is really hard to beat for me. It has great color, skintones in rec709 and v-log. Timecode, the Ibis is exceptional i don’t use AF so I don’t care about that. The 120p could be better in higher iso. Good lowlight performance. But equally important is the ergonomics everything’s is where it needs to be it’s a camera that gets out of the way. I’m getting the new S5 throw my 100 Zeiss Macro on it just as a closeup camera and keep my 35mm 1.4 Zeiss bolted to the s1h with TC for sync and simply change bodies instead of lenses.
 
icarusfilm said:
I really have to say that the s1h is really hard to beat for me. It has great color, skintones in rec709 and v-log. Timecode, the Ibis is exceptional i don’t use AF so I don’t care about that. The 120p could be better in higher iso. Good lowlight performance. But equally important is the ergonomics everything’s is where it needs to be it’s a camera that gets out of the way. I’m getting the new S5 throw my 100 Zeiss Macro on it just as a closeup camera and keep my 35mm 1.4 Zeiss bolted to the s1h with TC for sync and simply change bodies instead of lenses.
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what type of shooting is that lens arrangement for out of curiosity?
 
i shoot docs, the 35 is general purpose i shoot 90% of everything on it then close-ups with the 100 also sit-down interviews.
I dont use any wide angles- these days everything wide is covered by Drones POV cams 360 cams etc. I have a Canon FD 500mm L for the occasional Landscape.


ahalpert said:
what type of shooting is that lens arrangement for out of curiosity?
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icarusfilm said:
I really have to say that the s1h is really hard to beat for me. It has great color, skintones in rec709 and v-log. Timecode, the Ibis is exceptional i don’t use AF so I don’t care about that. The 120p could be better in higher iso. Good lowlight performance. But equally important is the ergonomics everything’s is where it needs to be it’s a camera that gets out of the way. I’m getting the new S5 throw my 100 Zeiss Macro on it just as a closeup camera and keep my 35mm 1.4 Zeiss bolted to the s1h with TC for sync and simply change bodies instead of lenses.
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The S5 has a rebate with a free lens. I'll likely sell then lens, but I canceled my A7Siii order might pick up two S5s for the same price -that includes the rebate.
 
icarusfilm said:
i shoot docs, the 35 is general purpose i shoot 90% of everything on it then close-ups with the 100 also sit-down interviews.
I dont use any wide angles- these days everything wide is covered by Drones POV cams 360 cams etc. I have a Canon FD 500mm L for the occasional Landscape.
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Cool - can you link me to a piece shot with those lenses and cameras? I would find it hard to give up zoom capabilities for doc shooting but perhaps I'm leaning on a crutch
 
m43user said:
The S5 has a rebate with a free lens. I'll likely sell then lens, but I canceled my A7Siii order might pick up two S5s for the same price -that includes the rebate.
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The S1H is the first camera where I've owned two bodies and it is so freeing knowing that I'm getting a matched/cohesive look, with all the flexibility of having one rigged up and one stripped-down, or for multi-cam coverage, or keeping one on a gimbal and the other on sticks, so yeah... if I had to decide between two S5's and one A7SIII, I'd definitely go for the pair. It's a small thing, but the advantages have been a bigger deal to me that I expected.
 
I have an S1, P4k and GH5 and was seriously thinking of selling them all for an A7s III BUT am waiting to see what a firmware update will bring to the S1 before I do anything. My main reservation is that at 12mp and no OLPF the A7S III will not be as moire resistant as the S1 or my P4k which has now got a Rawlite OLPF. It would make a lot of sense in other ways as I use an A7riv for stills and I don’t like the s35 quality on the S1 for 60p. Also the P4k is a mess with it’s external battery and HD and the S1 is on the heavy side. V-Log on the S1 is so good I wonder why I need the hassle of BRAW for a very small gain in colour fidelity.
 
I currently have an S1 after shooting for two years on an Eva1 and the last one of those a lot of ProRes Raw. I want 2x S1H or 1 S1H and 1 S5 plus recorders in my kit asap. Nothing I've seen in the class come out lately has changed that, including Komodo. The A7sIII looks fantastic, but I'm not seeing IQ that surpasses the S1H, in my opinion. If you need autofocus or 120p, sure. Otherwise, I can't see it. Of course I tend to end up Panasonic...sure there have been some Canons and A7s' along the way, but I've been Gh1,2,3,4,5,Eva1, etc for many years now...
 
I have an S1H and recently purchased a S5, so I can have two cameras that can support 5.9K ProRes RAW. But when the budget doesn't call for a RAW workflow, I am finding the 30 min time limit in the 10-bit modes a bummer. Maybe adding another S1H while those of you sell them for a loss to grab the A7SIII will be a good move for me.
 
The viewfinder on the 5s is lower resolution. That’s the main turnoff for me



QUOTE=filmguy123;1986845831]What do you think of the S5 compared to the S1H[/QUOTE]
 
Has anyone had experience now with both A7s3 and S1H (or S5)? Hands of thoughts after field testing?

Also as a side note, it seems the L-mount lens selection is continuing to grow and that future, 2nd generation L-mount camera releases may see more immediate market traction as a result of the platform finding its initial footing these last couple years?

Hoping Panny doesn't abandon the platform. In any case, would be curious to know from those with experience how the new Sony's stack up in comparison outside of a spec sheet.
 
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