(Rumored) Panasonic FF mirrorless

If they can give me a full frame 8K camera with a flippy flappy screen and all the bells and whistles of a GH5, I won't be mad if they change the lens mount. I just don't want them getting all courageous and removing headphone jacks or anything. We don't need that kind of courage round these parts.

I could even skip the 8K recording. Be great if they could include a nice 4K compressed raw option downsampled from an 8K sensor.
 
The lens mount throat doesn't need to be as big as the sensor, but it helps for designing both long and fast lenses (and it's more of an issue when the mount is closer to the sensor)

I really wouldn't mind if they went for a new mount, but having a barely-good-enough lens selection took Sony several years, and using m43 would allow, say, Sigma, to quickly adapt all their lenses to the new mount (they have the FF lens designs, and they already make m43 AF lenses so they know how the mount works).
 
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Based on that, if true, I don't see how m43 glass can be adapted. Which would be unfortunate.

For myself it's not a big deal because I literally own one m43 lens. That said, I'm curious how many people would actually want to fall back on using their m43 lenses on a full frame camera.
Personally I do like the added DOF for run and gun, but just yesterday I shot a speaking event with a couple Canon 6D cameras. Shooting the person at the podium at 200mm f3.2 produced a really nice look but keeping them in focus if they walked away from the podium wasn't the greatest fun. Especially without focus peaking on those cameras.
I did have my personal GH4 with me shooting wide in 4K. Everything was in focus but the footage was muddy in comparison and noisy, even though both the 6D and GH4 were set to ISO 800.
 
Whatever comes on the 25th (if anything) :) will be interesting. I think Panasonic wants to protect and incorporate the GH line. Having a path to use a FF camera in m4/3rds mode would be pretty cool. Like having your cake and eating it too. If they could actually retain everything from the GH5 but house it inside a FF body along with its advantages in certain circumstances, they will have come up with a winner imho. Like flipping a switch - m4/3rds for more DOF, FF for less. But it needs IBIS for me to buy it...

Without this dual functionality, a Panasonic FF only might just be another camera on the market.
 
Isn't the SL mount 20mm flange?

1mm is a thin adapter, but it'd have space to move inward for the connection (38mm inner diameter on m43 lenses)?
 
Exciting new rumor an (FT5) one, Panasonic will launch two new full frame cameras both with IBS and 4k/60p.

1) Entry level Full Frame L-mount camera with IBIS, 4k60p and Low Resolution Sensor
2) Pro level Full Frame L-mount camera with IBIS, 4k60p and High Resolution Sensor (close to 50MP)
3) New Full Frame 24-70mm zoom lens
4) New Full Frame 50mm fast prime
5) New Full Frame 70-200mm zoom lens
 
roxics said:
Technically it's now called the L-Mount.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_L-Mount

It has a flange focal distance of 19mm (48.8mm inner diameter).

Compare that to:
19.25mm (38mm inner diameter) for the Micro Four Thirds mount
18mm (46.1mm inner diameter) for the Sony E-mount
16mm (55mm inner diameter) for the Nikon Z-mount
20mm (54mm inner diameter) for the Canon RF mount.
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Actually its 51mm inner diameter for L mount, throat diameter of 48.8mm, E mount is 43.6 throat diameter
https://photographylife.com/what-is-lens-mount
 
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Per usual, there will be hardware differences and various menu options/features that will distinguish them...just have to decide if they are worth $3K-$5K more.

You're never paying for image quality anymore.
 
Ken1212 said:
I do not think Panasonic is selling many EVA's.
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Perhaps not. All I know is, FF with IBIS and likely 4k60p 10-bit internal > EVA1. I don't think XLR and NDs are enough to save it, when an XLR adapter unit works very well and many people record to external devices like a sounddevices mixpre anyway. The EVA1 nds are great but also not strong enough for really bright outdoor light and shallow DoF, and VNDs with Xume are superb. The EVA1 form factor is cool if you are into that but I keep finding smaller is better and it really sounds like I'm not alone in that, as it's pretty easy to bulk out a small camera if you want a larger footprint. And ironically, these days I find the DSLR button schemes faster and easier both on physical switches and the Lumix UI vastly superior to the EVA1 UI.

I just can't see myself using the EVA1 if this ends up being a full frame IBIS with variable scan mapping for m43, aps-c/s35, FF, with all the benefits of a FF sensor and better internal codecs. Maybe if I need 5.7K RAW or 240fps RAW on the EVA1 for some speciality shots.

We'll see what happens and hype has let me down before. This leaked teaser image:

https://www.l-rumors.com/l5-first-leaked-l-mount-teaser-image/

Sure does seem to indicate they are going the direction we might think though, and it really would be brilliant:

A short flange, FF camera basically has "unlimited" lens options. Imagine a single body being able to adapt almost any lens on the market for any body size from FF to S35/APS-C to MFT. You could have any vintage FF glass (nikkors, minolta, leica Rs), Canon EF glass, Sigma 18-35, Voigtlander m43 glass, etc. etc. and it would all work on one body. You could construct a kit to be as small or as big as you want; you could get "free" telephoto reach with a m43 Leica 50-200 set to scan map @ m43 for a 400mm handheld reach, or pop to FF with a canon (or native) 70-200 for closer range and larger sensor read out.

it sounds like with two camera body options, there may be a high res version and a lowlight version - the high res may be best for variable scan mapping to more cropped formats with high resolution, and ultra high res stills, whereas the lower res version may be best suited to staying in FF modes and achieving maximum lowlight. Two matching bodies with this flexibility would be something of a dream.

And with the IBIS everyone loves... shoot.

Ok, I should pull myself back and wait till Tuesday...
 
filmguy123 said:
Perhaps not. All I know is, FF with IBIS and likely 4k60p 10-bit internal > EVA1. I don't think XLR and NDs are enough to save it, when an XLR adapter unit works very well and many people record to external devices like a sounddevices mixpre anyway. The EVA1 nds are great but also not strong enough for really bright outdoor light and shallow DoF, and VNDs with Xume are superb. The EVA1 form factor is cool if you are into that but I keep finding smaller is better and it really sounds like I'm not alone in that, as it's pretty easy to bulk out a small camera if you want a larger footprint. And ironically, these days I find the DSLR button schemes faster and easier both on physical switches and the Lumix UI vastly superior to the EVA1 UI.

I just can't see myself using the EVA1 if this ends up being a full frame IBIS with variable scan mapping for m43, aps-c/s35, FF, with all the benefits of a FF sensor and better internal codecs. Maybe if I need 5.7K RAW or 240fps RAW on the EVA1 for some speciality shots.

We'll see what happens and hype has let me down before. This leaked teaser image:

https://www.l-rumors.com/l5-first-leaked-l-mount-teaser-image/

Sure does seem to indicate they are going the direction we might think though, and it really would be brilliant:

A short flange, FF camera basically has "unlimited" lens options. Imagine a single body being able to adapt almost any lens on the market for any body size from FF to S35/APS-C to MFT. You could have any vintage FF glass (nikkors, minolta, leica Rs), Canon EF glass, Sigma 18-35, Voigtlander m43 glass, etc. etc. and it would all work on one body. You could construct a kit to be as small or as big as you want; you could get "free" telephoto reach with a m43 Leica 50-200 set to scan map @ m43 for a 400mm handheld reach, or pop to FF with a canon (or native) 70-200 for closer range and larger sensor read out.

it sounds like with two camera body options, there may be a high res version and a lowlight version - the high res may be best for variable scan mapping to more cropped formats with high resolution, and ultra high res stills, whereas the lower res version may be best suited to staying in FF modes and achieving maximum lowlight. Two matching bodies with this flexibility would be something of a dream.

And with the IBIS everyone loves... shoot.

Ok, I should pull myself back and wait till Tuesday...
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A camera like the EVA-1 is more about the ergonomics than anything else. Spec for spec it shares many things in common already with the GH5. Some know however that the image just feels more organic than the GH5. I doubt a FF DSLR is going to change any of that video look from the GH5. Sensor size has nothing to do with that. Even a FF DSLR is still meant to shoot video pleasing to a wide range of users and likely will take more of a video approach to the look and feel of the material.

At the end of the day a FF vs m43 sensor is not likely going to change some of the visual criticisms the GH5 already receives.
 
filmguy123 said:
https://www.l-rumors.com/l5-first-leaked-l-mount-teaser-image/

Sure does seem to indicate they are going the direction we might think though, and it really would be brilliant:

A short flange, FF camera basically has "unlimited" lens options. Imagine a single body being able to adapt almost any lens on the market for any body size from FF to S35/APS-C to MFT. You could have any vintage FF glass (nikkors, minolta, leica Rs), Canon EF glass, Sigma 18-35, Voigtlander m43 glass, etc. etc. and it would all work on one body. You could construct a kit to be as small or as big as you want; you could get "free" telephoto reach with a m43 Leica 50-200 set to scan map @ m43 for a 400mm handheld reach, or pop to FF with a canon (or native) 70-200 for closer range and larger sensor read out.
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The thing is that this wouldn't necessarily be unique to this mount. Any other mirrorless FF mount would be able to do the same. I think that that image is referring to something bigger. Think of an open mount consortium like MFT, but for FF instead. This would be huge. Three, four, maybe five+ camera manufacturers, a dozen plus lens makers, etc. The sheer variety and combined effort would make this system a powerhouse.
 
Thomas Smet said:
A camera like the EVA-1 is more about the ergonomics than anything else. Spec for spec it shares many things in common already with the GH5. Some know however that the image just feels more organic than the GH5. I doubt a FF DSLR is going to change any of that video look from the GH5. Sensor size has nothing to do with that. Even a FF DSLR is still meant to shoot video pleasing to a wide range of users and likely will take more of a video approach to the look and feel of the material.

At the end of the day a FF vs m43 sensor is not likely going to change some of the visual criticisms the GH5 already receives.
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I dunno if I fully agree with this... a lot of the GH5 look was also originally due to Panasonic trying to maximize IQ on an "under sized" sensor (which is becoming an outdated thought with the newest advancements). BMD has shown the m43 sensor needn't incur the additional digital processing to put out a killer image. I am also wondering if part of the Sep 25 announcement with the "major" firmware updated to GHx line might address some of this - a more RAW mode (whether that's a RAW type codec, or a more raw/stripped down profile). The images will speak but I can't imagine the FF mirrorless won't have improved iQ.

As for form factor, it's true, but I think my point was that those who prefer the EVA1 form factor are becoming an increasing minority. For solo shooters or small teams, myself included, the DSLR form factor with a few proper kitting options (which I prefer as it keeps things modular) not only works equally well, I find it is often superior.

Shenan said:
The thing is that this wouldn't necessarily be unique to this mount. Any other mirrorless FF mount would be able to do the same. I think that that image is referring to something bigger. Think of an open mount consortium like MFT, but for FF instead. This would be huge. Three, four, maybe five+ camera manufacturers, a dozen plus lens makers, etc. The sheer variety and combined effort would make this system a powerhouse.
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Yes, but, no other mirrorless FF mount is actually doing it or making it possible. And panasonic is in a unique position to build in the software to pass through electronic data from MFT lenses if they choose... possibly even including DUAL IS. Will they? Don't know. But the thought that they could...

But as well, YES, to an open mount system with short flange difference - would be superb.
 
All that said I can't think of any product announcement that's lived up to the potential hype in quite some time so I'm assuming I'll be let down on a handful of things :)
 
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