Rumor: 1Ds MkIV might be around the corner

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http://www.picturestoryblog.com/2010/03/canon-1ds-mark-iv-canon-5d-mark-ii-firmware-update.html
Rumors about a new flagship canon 1Ds Mark IV have been floating for a while. The 32(?) megapixel monster would crush anything in its class. It is still just a rumor, but I do know that SOMETHING is up at Canon. Major Ad agencies in NY are clamoring for name photographers for an upcoming Canon spot. Could a groundbreaking camera be far behind?
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I would love to see this camera. I love everything about the 1D MkIV except the 1.3 crop sensor. Having a full frame sensor with 102,000 ISO settings and HD monitoring would be my dream.

Please release this soon Canon! We are planning on shooting a feature this fall and I would love to have this as my camera over my 5D MkII.
 
I barely shoot anything above 400 ISO ... as a photographer the 31mp might yield a BIT more... but I'd be more interested to see how much more dynamic range they can punch into their RAW files.
 
I keep telling myself I'm not buying a 1DsIV unless it shoots a clean 102,000 ISO :-) . I'm sticking with the 5DII and T2i until all of Canon's cards are on the table, meaning I won't make a decision on buying any more cameras until they've released a S35 cine camera in a proper form factor. The 1DsIV will be in the 8K territory. It will be sweet, but not that sweet. .Who am I kidding? I'll probably buy one anyway. Dammit!!
 
I'm expecting something in the 32-46 megapixel range. They have a few 35mm full frame sensor designs that go up to 50 megapixels. I don't really care about the count however, I care about the quality of those pixels. Meaning if 28 megapixels results in a sharper/cleaner image I'd spin and jump for joy. Normally the jump in megapixel resolution isn't that great, but I have a feeling to compete with the output that some of the other manufacturers will be capable of by spring of 2011 they may go hog wild on that pixel count. I'm sure the stills ISO range will have usable 12800 and likely higher. The ISO 6400 off the 5D Mark II has been "printable" for me and likely others and the ISO 3200 on both the 5D Mark II and 1Ds Mark III are damn similar.

I've had my 1Ds Mark III since 2007. I imagine something magical in the ISO front can happen in that 3 year gap.

Personally beyond having high ISO capability I'd love to have the ability to shoot ISO 25 and ISO 12. Shooting f/1.2 and f/1.4 wide open during the day without ND filters would be fun.

They will likely up the bracketing feature slightly and maybe allow in camera HDRI creation as that seems to be gaining popularity.

On the video front? I'm expecting 120fps and the ability to do things like 1fps. I'm hoping for clean ISO 5000ish, maybe 6400, capability. I think they'll look at sensor readout and how they are creating each video frame to potentially tackle rolling shutter, but that might require a new approach of getting data off the sensor and could certainly lead to a higher price tag. I'd expect some sort of new Digic or something else in the works.

I wouldn't be surprised if they tackled the video recording time limit as well. I know many people who really want to shoot longer that 12-15 minutes a pop, but who knows. Not a deal breaker for me.

I'd kill for a XLR input somewhere on the body with phantom power :) The battery got smaller on the 1Ds Mark III and there could be space for it in the new model. Not to mention the capacity increased drastically with the new design. I think it could run a mic for a few hours and keep the camera going too.

I wouldn't be shocked if they went up to a true 16bit sensor as well. Long time coming really. This would help compete against some of the advantages the more expensive medium format backs have.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they implemented that MPEG2 MXF format that they sent mail about earlier this month. Much friendlier to work with in existing systems and technically capable of higher image quality.

I wouldn't be completely shocked if they added some sort of advanced autofocus features while shooting video, but again, something that is difficult to implement via current design and probably expensive.

Other than that, I'd expect some sort of EVF that can lock onto the hotshoe similar to the 580EX II flash unit. I could see that being a hot accessory and desired by many if the resolution was high enough. Full 1080p HDMI output will be there without question.

Anytime I've been at Canon or talking shop with my CPS rep I drop little hints about what I'd like to see happen, but who knows where that info ever ends up. Video has clearly sold more cameras to a new market and I think Canon is eager to tap in on that with a professional body, but only time will tell. Either way we all know that they make fine still cameras and certainly pushed this hybrid dSLR camera mindset to a new level. These days they'll need to do something a bit more spectacular to warrant $6500-$8000 for a body than to just increase the megapixel count.

All I'm saying is start saving now and tell the kids that college will have to wait :)
 
Phil Holland said:
These days they'll need to do something a bit more spectacular to warrant $6500-$8000 for a body than to just increase the megapixel count.
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This is true. For most pro applications, 20mp is enough. Especially as so much work ends up on the internet these days.

The movie thing is a nice way to justfy the next model because they will have a hard time pushing the Mark V after this Mark IV with all of its megapixels and speed is on the market for a while.

This "can't call it a video camera" tax thing is going to be a thorn in the side and might define the market.

It would seem obvious that one of these sensors in a video camera body with proper audio would totally change the game. I mean everybody would from the top down would get one because they would not cost that much. If all of the still photo tech was left out, they would be even easier to make.

So why hasn't somebody stepped up to grab the market? There must be something we are not being told because as great as these cameras are, it seems silly trying to port still cameras for video use.

Maybe NAB will shed some light but I am not expecting any type of model to be shown.
 
Bassman2003 said:
So why hasn't somebody stepped up to grab the market? There must be something we are not being told because as great as these cameras are, it seems silly trying to port still cameras for video use.

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I've read one of the main hold ups is the dedicated video lens that canon would have to develop for such a camera. Their current lenses on their video cameras just aren't going to cover that sized sensor. Still, I would think they could make the body with a EF mount and let people use the still lenses until they have cinema lenses. But I guess they wouldn't see that as an acceptable solution. Canon will want to release the whole thing in a proper form factor.
 
If that is the case I think they are missing the market. These are not little video cameras. The DOF is too shallow for one-tool fits all kind of shooting imho. You are still going to want a "video" camera for some work.

Sure they need to come up with a servo driven lens, but a lot of the users are fine with the still lenses. They just want proper audio and video style handling. It would seem they could add a servo motor to a still lens pretty easily.

It would be nice if they could create a FF sensor that is 4mp that would have huge photosites for light gathering and might eliminate the moire. But lets face it, these cameras a affordable because they can mass produce the sensors.

I have a feeling that this market will be totally different in a few years and the cameras that people are jimmy'ing to work with are going to look a bit hobbled in comparison to what is available.

I'm rambling here but this market is intriguing and a bit frustrating at the same time.
 
ChipG said:
I'm out of the still photog loop but what do you guys need 30+ megapixels for? Billboards?
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Well, if the 1DsIV is going to come in at 30+ MP which it most likely will, it will be competing in the digital medium format territory and will do it for well under $10K which should make Hasselblad and Mamiya pee just a little. The 1DsIV will offer digital medium format resolution in a 35mm package. More usable and convenient on many levels than the other medium format bodies. The 1DsIV is their professinal studio camera. It will really break a barrier as it pushes into this 30+ MP territory. ....not to mention, my gut tells me there's going to be some extra goodies in there for the working DP.
 
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