Darren Levine
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i looked up the address a bit back as well to see what the story was. not encouraging. the address is listed as owned by someone's Trust
ROXOR-Filmpower integration 3-axis Stabilization VS DJI Osmo
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i looked up the address a bit back as well to see what the story was. not encouraging. the address is listed as owned by someone's Trust
dustylense
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This thread...another example of entitlement from an ever increasing volume of people. Many (if not all) of which have NEVER manufactured a product in their lives.
NOBODY is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy ANYTHING. And NOBODY owes each and everyone of the naysayers here ANYTHING.
You don't like the way things the people at Filmpower or whatever are conducting business, then DON'T buy their product or pay any attention to their product. It's just that simple. It really is......They too, are just people trying to make a buck of a product.
NOBODY is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy ANYTHING. And NOBODY owes each and everyone of the naysayers here ANYTHING.
You don't like the way things the people at Filmpower or whatever are conducting business, then DON'T buy their product or pay any attention to their product. It's just that simple. It really is......They too, are just people trying to make a buck of a product.
dustylense
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And the address to your industrial space or studio is where?
cpreston
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Really? So you have no problem with a company misleading potential customers about the nature of the company and the capabilities of a product in order to encourage preorders? As long as they are just trying to make a buck, anything goes?
Rylan Zolinski
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If Filmpower isn't going to be the voice of their own product, who is? That's what we're doing here. On top of that we are also exposing some pretty terrible marketing and sales tactics and letting everyone else know to be wary of this product and company.
It's a ruse. They don't operate out of San Francisco. They slapped an address on a residential house and called it good.
Probably spoken from experience.
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Darren Levine
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dusty, i'm surprised you're coming to the aide of filmpower on this. have you even kept up on this thread and what has been going on? This isn't people clamoring for more than what's being advertised, this is a company legitimately not being strait about a product they are taking in money for. Your stance seems to be that we should all be kumbaya because it's a preorder situation and we don't have to buy it if we don't feel right about it and thus no reason to raise red flags. But you're really going to stand by your opinion that no one should be calling out a company that does something unscrupulous?
For those who aren't up to date: Filmpower had always been advertising this product as "4k video"(among other things), and despite many folks requesting framerates from them, they only kept repeating the same marketing jargon in sidestep. Had they been strait from the start, there wouldn't be such a discussion, but to add salt to the situation, the early reports of the rest of the functionality don't hold much sunshine
And to any who believe that, 4k @ 10fps is still technically video, then i'd love to know where exactly your line is between video vs just a series of pictures. Last i checked, there is no standard of 'video' recognized that's less than 24fps.
Here's hoping that filmpower turns this around, in the end if they turn out a good product then praise be the flying spaghetti monster.
and no i don't currently have an industrial or studio space. but last i checked, i'm also not a product manufacturer, nor advertising to clients that i can shoot 4k with the unmentioned stipulation that i can only record at 10fps. i'm sure that would be a fun client rough cut viewing...
For those who aren't up to date: Filmpower had always been advertising this product as "4k video"(among other things), and despite many folks requesting framerates from them, they only kept repeating the same marketing jargon in sidestep. Had they been strait from the start, there wouldn't be such a discussion, but to add salt to the situation, the early reports of the rest of the functionality don't hold much sunshine
And to any who believe that, 4k @ 10fps is still technically video, then i'd love to know where exactly your line is between video vs just a series of pictures. Last i checked, there is no standard of 'video' recognized that's less than 24fps.
Here's hoping that filmpower turns this around, in the end if they turn out a good product then praise be the flying spaghetti monster.
and no i don't currently have an industrial or studio space. but last i checked, i'm also not a product manufacturer, nor advertising to clients that i can shoot 4k with the unmentioned stipulation that i can only record at 10fps. i'm sure that would be a fun client rough cut viewing...
Rylan Zolinski
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Aaaand people are already reporting major problems with the Roxor:
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So mines finally arrived today, unfortunately I cannot share any sample footage as originally planned. The box it came was cracked into pieces, and the gimbal does not seem to calibrate correctly, it appears to struggle and twitch at times. And when it finally does work it looks like this.
And the condition of the box, when it arrived at my doorsteps:
And the condition of the box, when it arrived at my doorsteps:
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dustylense
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Coming to the aid? I'm saying MOVE ON. All sorts of other options out there. Look elsewhere.
When I say, "They are just trying to make a buck". It's not to excuse them. It's too say that people (companies) will make promises and hopefuls and willingly take YOUR dollars and without proof of concept. Much less a viable and TANGIBLE product. And YOU all fell for it.
Basically, let them (film power, and other companies) fail on their own. It's one thing to show interest in their proposal. It's fine to root for their success. But these days preordering on such devices based off renderings and some specs, and in some cases limited examples with footage, has just gotten out of hand. And there are plenty of examples of it from far bigger companies. Shipping products with features advertised that don't ship with the camera (or device) and sometimes take up to a year to add that often fall short of the original idea.
Call me old fashioned, but I like a product that revealed post concept and in actual working and tangible order. From the get go. Show me what you have and examples from it that can be purchased immediately if it fits my business model and budget. Even if you have 50 of them produced and ready to sell, if I want to acquire it, then and only then will I take a number and get in line. No more "shipping in July" or "take a look at these numbers and our cartoon drawing" dealings.
For me it's hard to get upset over a product that once revealed, didn't even exist outside of a computer rendering, some specifications, and the ability to drop money down on it. Especially one that coincided with a product launch of a device identical to it. But at a 1/4 of the price. First learn this as it will take you far. BUY CHEAP, BUY TWICE. And this one is the cheap one and will lead to you buying a better one that costs a bit more. Usually, it's the one you should have bought in the first place.... Anybody guilty of that? I am.
Do we want to deal with these types of companies and practice anymore? Not me. Show me the working unit and I'll give you the money. Until then, take a look or interest, and if the company goes about business this way I suggest moving on until they prove otherwise.
So Filmpower. Or whatever your company is called. The Roxor. Yep, you are screwing your own pooch here over and over and over. If you want to succeed and compete with all the offerings available or devices yet to come, you might wanna re-evaluate your business model and practice. Maybe start with enhancing your companies communication skill level.
Look. I'll end it on this. Remember that joke? "How do you keep an ass-hole in suspense"......
Derek, box may be the result of turbulence in transit. You can contact our after-sales personnel, they will send you a new box.
About the ROXOR appears to struggle and twitch at times.
First, may be due to beyond using angle, angle limit within ±45°,more than this angle the gimbal will shake.
Second, if the angle within ±45°, and the gimbal was still shaking. Then you could calibrate the ACC-gyroscope sensor.
Please sent mail to our after-sales personnel, they will help you to slove the problem. Email: support@filmpower.com
cpreston
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I agree with everything you said. I admit that I have been mostly tracking this thread for the same reason people slow down on the road to check out a car wreck. I do, however, think that a primary purpose of a forum like this is for people to share their experiences with a product and learn about the companies and technology in the business. This can be a useful learning experience for everybody even if it feels like people should have learned these lessons a long time ago.
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After the multiple request for specs and sample footage, over the course of a few months in this thread and on FB resulted in silence, Filmpower was clearly avoiding the question given all the other posts from the company. This triggered my spider-sense, something just wasn't right, so I waited. As consumers our purchases can show this is unacceptable, personally I'm going with a one handed gimbal - the Beholder DS1 - and will be avoiding Filmpower and the Nebula as a result.
I hope everyone can get a refund on their Roxor's if they want because 10fps is not 4k video in any form.
I hope everyone can get a refund on their Roxor's if they want because 10fps is not 4k video in any form.
indiawilds
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Scams happen because people are greedy. Filmpower has clearly exploited the greed of people to buy a cheap device. However, it is interesting that their representative continues to post images of that camera with only 10fps in multiple threads (here and in a new CES thread). I guess that indicates they are well versed in this approach.
PS: I have been badly singed by a Kickstarter project and hence now only buy products when they are physically being available for sale. I would rather donate the money for charity rather than waste money in these kind of scams.
PS: I have been badly singed by a Kickstarter project and hence now only buy products when they are physically being available for sale. I would rather donate the money for charity rather than waste money in these kind of scams.
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Hi Iris,
Thanks for getting back to me, I re-calibrated the gimbal and now it's properly angled for a more leveled shooting. Thanks I'll be sure to contact them for a replacement box.
For those having the same problem, to re-calibrate it's 5 x short press on gimbal mode button, while the gimbal is horizontally leveled. I was able to grab a few shots while working at CES, I'll share some samples this coming week. My personal experience just from usage : It's a fun little device, if you only care to use it only for 1080p, the LCD in the back is very convenient (just power and go). The little joy stick on the back for thumb control works fairly well. The battery meter on the lcd appears to be a little inaccurate though (two times it shut off on me while 30% left), I'll have to charge and use it a few more times to give you guys a definite answer. The phone mount and wifi is abit buggy still haven't figured out how to pair my phone with the device yet. So far I've only shot and haven't really played with the file compression and see how well it holds up. I pre-ordered mines back in Oct., so for $199 as a 1080p camera, I won't lose any sleep over it.
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